Unsurprising that the ADL swept in to defend him.
They’re called the apartheid defense league for a reason
100%. Zionists have always had ties to the Nazi Party.
Starts with “no, it wasn’t EXACTLY the same salute because his wrist angle is 0.0001 degrees different”
Then “no, he was just being sarcastic, no one can just be ironic anymore”
Then “okay but it’s not that bad, he’s not literally putting people in concentration camps”
Then “okay but it wasn’t my fault, I’m a good person”
“I just can’t believe the face-eating leopards who constantly made face-eating gestures and promised to eat faces on day one would eat my face!”
Even if we give them literally all of benefit of doubt and assume it really was Bellamy salute, it don’t make it any better, it’s still salute of genocidal empire. And i don’t have any benefit to give, Bellamy salute is old rubbish nerd trivia from century ago, here and now Musk gesture have only one meaning.
you are forgetting that Elon is a dumbass and it is probable that he really did a nazi salute by accident
‘Accident’ isn’t the word I’d use to describe a famous, clear, unique and repeated gesture. It’s not something one does unknowingly. I’d lean more towards ‘association’, ‘intuition’, perhaps ‘familiarity’, if it weren’t premeditated. It’s no secret that Musk is frequently interacting with and boosting neo-nazis on their social media platform, the most doubt I could possibly give them is they wanted to do a powerful victory gesture, picked the first one that came to mind and they were too damn ignorant to realize even US conservatives don’t like Nazi symbols.
I wasn’t trying to insinuate that he doesn’t support nazis, just doubting he would actually make it this blatantly obvious
Accidental like Strangelove, perhaps. Just an involuntary spasm revealing his true nature.
Dr. Strangelove is a surprising adept analogue - immigrant from a white supremacist regime who can’t leave it behind, weird and socially awkward, [supposed] tech expert. Maybe I’m stretching it a bit.
I really don’t like Elon musk and I am convinced that he cares little about anyone but himself. He is a liar and a fraud. His Morals are clearly 100% motivated by profit. He seems sexist and classist.
Trump is obviously classist and seemingly racist (the difference between racist and classist isn’t always so obvious)
I really really don’t like both of them.
But I don’t think Elon did a salute. To me, (especially as he did it twice) it seems like he moves his hand to his heart and then “throws” it out to the audience. Would be on brand for Zuckerberg, very alien. But “innocent”. I guess, you could argue that it is a dog whistle and he wants deniability.
Honestly, It doesn’t matter to me. A bad man is a bad man.
Video evidence of him throwing a Nazi salute; side-by-side comparison of him and Hitler throwing the same salute; he’s boosting the fucking NAZI PARTY in Germany, but i don’t think he means it, guys!
That’s not how you throw something though
if you dont mean to defend/apologise for musk. why did you even take the time to write this? As a german who studied the ns-regieme a lot in their life let me (and pretty much every expert on that issue who commented on that) tell you that this is a clear nazi solute. not greatly executed, the führer would have been dissapointed, but it features all the elements to that salute. as i suspect elon has a pr team, and ‘educated’ himself on the holocaust in Oświęcim, id say it is impossible he didnt know and accidentally mimiced it in that detail.
Your mental gymnastics are Olympic class
Sadly, anyone who would vote for him is incapable of this level of self reflection.
What they’re incapable of is recognizing that ‘the badies’ (Nazis) is something they should avoid.
The problem isn’t that they don’t know they’re evil, it’s that they fucking love it.
No Trump voter is casual unless they literally closed their eyes and scribbled randomly on the ballot
Of course there are. My neighbor is one. A simple minded idiot, conned by the lies and the cult of personality. But, if you talked to him, you’d never think for a second that he’d vote for Trump.
Their eyes are still closed. Unless you walk up to that neighbor in the next day or so and show him the clip, he won’t see it or believe it.
Hell, it’s already too late and your neighbor is probably already making excuses about how Elon Musk is just sharing his hearts energy or some shit.
It was a roman salute
Yeah okay
Look, the shitty excuses already began.
In 2008 Polish court really acquitted three members of ONR, most prominent Polish neonazi organisation on exactly this excuse.
Then what? I must know more about OP’s neighbor!
Absolutely nothing changes. The “closed eyes” people are just as bad as the actual fascists, because they’re enablers.
Yes
Zero fucking patience for liberals calling trump supporters nazis.
Just give up. You can’t win here. I also hate the near perfect echo-chamber liberals have here on lemmy, but there’s nothing to get out of arguing here.
I just wish they’d leave their crying out of memes…
Maybe don’t do Nazi salutes then. Zero empathy for you and your Nazi friends.
Why are you drawing the line on the symbolic representations of nazism when you’re complicit in a genocide?
The hand gesture isn’t the problem with nazis. The thing you did is.
You’re trying to deflect. It’s classic maga tactics. You don’t want to feel bad for voting for a Nazi so you claim Biden caused a genocide. The problem with this is multifactorial. First Biden didn’t campaign on causing genocide. So voters for him are not complicit. Second Biden is handling an altercation between two nations. The US has historically been pro Israel. Third we’re critical of Biden for this issue. Trump ran on fascist ideas. You voted for him based on these ideas. He’s enacting those ideas. And now his daddy is on stage heiling the Reich. Do you think Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine?
Are you fucking deluded or something?? YOU COMMITTED A GENOCIDE. So you got your fucking magnifying glass and slide rule out and managed to find a way to rhetorically say trump is still bad? No one’s arguing he isn’t bad you cynical piece of shit.
YOU COMMITTED A GENOCIDE
Shure because that random person on lemmy commited a genocide. You dont even know where they are from or what thier polirical leanings are
Cope harder
Just please make it clear what you want me to cope over.
A hundred thousand dead children, right? That’s what your snarky fucking attitude is directed towards, you fucking nazi piece of shit, right?
I am not denying the genocide dear person, i am just saying that you have no right to defend whatever is going on right now
Then why did they vote for someone promising to do Nazi policies?
You literally voted for someone committing a genocide. What fucking nazi policies are you referring to??
Deportations and containment camps being talked about would be a good place to start…
When did I vote for someone committing a genocide?
The first line where the democrats made all those policies incrementally worse just like the last several presidents of both parties aside…
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t assume. Who did you vote for?
Both of the parties are a shit show. But Trump is the one being discussed.
Mate I’m not even American.
But Trump is the one being discussed.
And who’s doing the discussing? What’s the context of the discussion?
You’re criticizing something as if you actually hold those values.
This discussion is not being held in good faith.
If it wasn’t clear, I think Nazis, Trump, Elon etc are scum. Biden is basically the same, as he never did anything about Palestine.
Have a good day.
You just spent all of your political capital supporting a genocide. You aren’t better than them. You are objectively worse.
Cowards downvoting without speaking. Do I detect shame? Or am I giving you too much credit?
Now Im wondering whether your either a troll or just seriously misguided. like what do you get out of accusing random people on lemmy, who you assume are liberals fore being responsible for the palestinisn genocide. Like maybe that is easy compared to taking direct action and organizing.
Interaction with you is worth less than the cost of a downvote.
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I have a feeling that if you watch the actual video of those events, you’ll find some differences in the movement of their arms.
https://www.youtube.com/live/GE0jmgGF0yk?t=2131
She’s clearly gesturing the idea of ‘looking ahead’ and ‘out there’. She had been doing so for a while, but the screen grab only grabs the one gesture where her hand happens to be flat.
Elon’s was clearly a salute, particularly since what he said his action was as he was doing it is the definition of a salute.
I want to thank you for making it happen
*salutes*
My heart goes out to you
~ Musksalute 1 a: to address with expressions of kind wishes, courtesy, or honor. b: to give a sign of respect, courtesy, or goodwill to [greet] 2 to become apparent to (one of the senses) 3 a: to honor (a person, a nation, an event, etc.) by a conventional military or naval ceremony b: to show respect and recognition to (a military superior) by assuming a prescribed position c: to express commendation of [praise]Removed by mod
Damn. You’re a special kind of stupid huh
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Elon literally does the hand on heart thing before the salute wtf are you on right now
What do you imagine his intent could have been when twice performing a gesture that the majority of people will identify as a Nazi salute, other than him performing a Nazi salute?
Lay off the copium, you’ve had enough
Democrats don’t care. They’d rather live in a fake reality. Joe Biden helped fund a literal genocide but they didn’t care about that one bit. They like to believe everyone else is stupid & they are incredibly smart, and to blame everyone but themselves for losing.
What is your point exactly? Trump says Biden didnt help Israel commit enough genocide and wasn’t supporting US allies enough lmao. It’s literally what lost him the election because democrats cared to show dems they won’t put up for it, lesser evil blabla
Trump is also about to start another genocide in Ukraine to help is buddies Putin and Kim. When your quality of life drastically changes, I’m sure it’s going to Biden and Obamas fault still while Trump swallows taxpayer money in his pockets and sells national secrets
Trump is also about to start another genocide in Ukraine
(X) DoubtRemindMe! 6 months
Yeah want to be reminded dude said “new healthcare coming in 2 weeks” for 4 years while tearing through the system making money? Nahh, i bet in 6 months you won’t want to talk about Ukraine either.
Let’s not forget he already tried to fuck Ukraine in his last presidency, AND said he would have ended the war in Ukraine already by just not funding Ukraine and letting Russia win. You might want to set a reminder for 6 months he’s a Russian puppet who has already been caught leaking national secrets, and made himself king to avoid the consequences.
That’s not even the right syntax for the Reddit bot 😆
Genocide ? Oh you mean NATO-imperialism Oh riiiight
I guess Democrats should have picked a candidate that had the moral high ground then. Nothing you said matters when Biden helped fund mass murder & Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently, other than putting Republicans in her cabinet
So you agree then.
“When Biden helped fund a mass murder”.
Tell me you don’t know what a president does without telling me you don’t know what a president does.
The president doesn’t allocate the funds. Americans love genocide (and the industrial military complex) so congress spent the money. Israel is an ally of the United States, not of Biden, and Israel has Trumps full support (especially if they rent empty rooms in his hotel). I guess you don’t want to talk about the last time Trump left military allies to die in because Putin asked him.
Israel wasn’t an ally of, “I’m a proud Zionist,” Biden? You do realize that Biden administration continually vetoed resolutions in favor of Israel… that Anthony Blinken ignored even the US’s own advisors saying that there was a humanitarian crisis? You do realize Biden can veto bills as well? That Biden could have put pressure on Israel & not publicly claim unconditional support of Israel?
Democrat here and guess who I blame? ＴＨＥ ＰＥＯＰＬＥ ＷＨＯ ＶＯＴＥＤ ＦＯＲ ＨＩＭ. And sure enough, they do sure damn well seem dumber than a box of rocks.
I guess Democrats are doomed for eternity then if you want to blame a majority of voters, rather than figure out why Democrats lost so many votes.
If I push a dog out of a moving car, who’s responsible for the dog falling? Probably me since I pushed the dog.
Since Trump won the popular vote (this time), whose fault is it that he’s now president?
I didn’t vote for him so I’m confused as to how it’s my fault.
Did you vote for the the genocide supporter Kamala Cheney?
Of course they, they deserve to lose with this kind of attitude
