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I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
Yeah, this post has big “third party voter” energy.
No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
they’ve said a lot of statements of caution
Who said what again?
their entire campaign was based on it. come on now bud don’t be dense. it was a shit campaign but it was 100% about what a danger trump was. they lost because they brought nothing else to the table and that was the problem.
The subject at hand is the coming transfer of power to fascists, not the election. Since November 5, 2024, Biden and Harris have had nothing to say.
dense it is. there is nothing to say. they lost, because they did a shit job on the campaign trail and a meh job during their administration.
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biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot
Simply untrue.
it made headlines… simply google it.
also, his farewell speech was all warnings….
also, you’re a twatDuring the campaign, Biden and Harris each alluded to Trump being a fascist, once, in answer to insistent questioning. You said “biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot,” which is simply untrue.
His farewell speech was more than I’d expected, though.
Not interested in insults.
i’m not interested in willful ignorance
They’re giving us a very quiet “then perish” right now.
They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
It’s more than nothing.
Just wanted to point out that the opposite of your prediction happened:
Sometimes it’s delightful to be wrong.
Civility is the highest liberal virtue.
Either it’s civility, or it’s compromise and reaching across the aisle, but of course even compromise must always be done with great civility.
They either didn’t believe the things they were saying or they don’t care.
Biden will expire before anything affects him and Kamala is rich enough to be unaffected. Of course they don’t care.
Or both.
Because they didn’t achieve them? …isn’t that exactly like you, though?
They are silent because the democrat party wanted all of of the power they refused to curbed. You wanna call Republicans fascists, well the leadership is, but so is Democrats leadership. We desperately need to remove both parties from all aspects of OUR government.
What do you want them to do? Barricade themselves in the Oval Office and go out in a blaze of glory?
Maybe arrest the criminal that was literally about to be sentenced?
Maybe not invite the dude over for cookies and tea.
Politicians are all on the same team against humanity.
This is the only alternative you can envision? Either Biden and Harris say nothing, as they’ve done since the election, or they go full Rambo in the White House?
Yes
In speech this week, Biden boasted about making the US so much stronger militarily that sets up Trump for “success”.
In another speech, or maybe the same one, he patted himself on the back for leaving Trump the strongest economy evah!
The peaceful transfer of power to fascists from fascists
Lets be real. This wouldn’t have happened if the dems weren’t also genocidal trash.
The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
They’re doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
… as always.
No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
It’s a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there’s no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn’t be Biden and Harris.
We invision leaders who have moral fortitude, believe in justice, want to make the world better, and have a plan to do so.
What we actually have are people who showed up, people who sold out, people who can navigate petty social interactions, and people who cling to power because it’s their ticket to an easy life.
Never should anyone be surprised when they let us down. It’s all theatre and the few who might fit the bill get isolated and rejected because they threaten the rests existence.
Explain precisely what you want him to do. Should he refuse to hand over power in “defense of the constitution”? Be specific.
you can invade, stage coups and meddle in other countries to bring or protect “democracy” then why not your own?
Let’s try this again. Explain precisely what you want Biden to do. He specific. Rhetorical questions don’t count.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
What is happening now is a major failing of both parties. If they so desperately want to be the only two horses that get to race then they take responsibility for every other horse they’ve essentially knee capped.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
I would only quibble that what you’ve suggested is not ‘nothing’. It’s not a lot, but it’s far more than Biden (or Harris) has ever done, or are ever likely to do. If either of them did what you suggest, they’d have my respect for the first time.
They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
They’ll do even better because they can cynically fundraise off it. Almost like they lose on purpose and all their bleating about saving democracy is not to be taken seriously when they had four fucking years to try trump for j6 but slow walked it instead.
Just like they shouldn’t be taken seriously for protecting abortion rights when they had fifty fucking years to codify roe v Wade.
Or how they shouldn’t be taken seriously regarding healthcare when it was one of their own senators (there’s always a patsy) tanked single payer healthcare.
Same with raising the minimum wage. There’s always a patsy willing to play ball for the donor class.
Exactly.
What are they supposed to do?
The majority voted for Trump. What more is there to discuss?
A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don’t help them with their propaganda
It was a simple majority or relative majority.
Either way trump got 49,9% while Harris got 48,3% so he absolutely got a major majority if you ignore the ones that would never win anyway.
And 49,9% is obviously so close to 50% anyways so not rounding is pretty much only pedantic.
How many eligible voters didn’t vote?
Why does that matter? Who cares what those apathetic idiots think?
Because using the technically correct word is better and important, especially when dealing with lying, manipulating propagandists who will bully their way as much as possible.
People that don’t vote are completely irrelevant in a discussion about an election.
The majority didn’t vote at all.
About 36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. That’s not a majority. Can we be accurate with facts here?
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Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
No, and that’s their fault.
It’s very unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Deal with it and stop complaining. Find a good way to win the next election instead.
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They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
They are a threat because they will do what you want Biden to do.
Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
Wall, I for one appreciate when someone acta civil. Especially when they can’t do anything anyway.
Because you have no fight in you. Was MLK civil? More than Malcolm, maybe, but no he wasn’t.
Bernie Sanders has more fight right now than anyone in the upper echelons of the DNC.
They weren’t president though.
Presidents, president candidates, and other persons of similar power should just accept that they lost and not do another trump. That’s unless you want a political climate where every election there are fights regarding who won and a bunch of bullshit childish behaviour.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
But by all means you should protest every day of his presidency. But also remember that you guys choose this yourselves.
I didn’t choose hitler 2.0, no. I find this complacency you have revolting.
The correct time to do something about Trump was 4 years ago after January 6th. He should be in prison on sedition.
The correct time to smile as you hand the keys over is never. And yet, that’s what the democrats are doing.
No acknowledgment of their colossal failure,
no acknowledgment of their present unelectibility,
no acknowledgment of how hard things are about to be for people,
no leadership about what to do now that our government is owned by X.com,
no resistance.I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
If you honestly think that. You should consider moving to another country.
Or revolt or something.
I’m not asking for a second January 6th: do the democrats even care?
What are you asking for then? Should they just frown or make angry comments? Why, what’s the point?
Sounds like you are just asking for a therapist.
I’ll try to remember this as the corpses of Trump’s administration pile up.
Absolutely. It will quite the sight to behold, lol.
What are you asking for then?
Literally anything to rebuild public faith.
If you haven’t seen it, this was Bernie Sander’s response to Trump’s victory given while Kamala Harris, our last hope, was on vacation.
The DNC is so beaurocratic, toothless, and boring that they lost to someone who holds the bible upside down.
And why? Because they don’t believe in anything. They’re soulless husks that amber about doing whatever their corporate donors tell them will sell to their demographics right now.
What should they do? I’d love to hear one of them present a single fucking idea. Even a bad one.
Blue states, round the national guard, project yourself as a safe haven for the would-be deported. Blue in the senate, obstruct and delay as much as possible. Pull the fire alarm, I don’t know. The system has crumbled, act like it.
Anyway, I’ve been soapboxing for long enough. You have a good day, man.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
Apparently, you wrote the rule book and Biden and Harris are following it.
Bruh, yeah obviously I wrote my own opinions.
So you’re an idiot.
Rude!
It’s okay if your hot take isn’t popular, don’t take it out on everyone else though…
With effort and imagination, insults can be amusing, interesting, outrageous, or profound.Please give us higher-quality insults, or no insults at all.
He’s an idiot screeching for decorum during the fall of the Republic, he doesn’t deserve better and coating an insult in wit doesn’t change its nature or intent.
screeching
Holy hyperbole batman, your reading comprehension might need some work.
Oh, look. They’re flocking.
The majority voted for Trump in a country with voter suppression, gerrymandering, and even terrorist threats against voters / poll workers. I don’t know what to think of that statistic in light of… many exhausting decades of bullshit.
So what? What are they supposed to do?
Stage an insurrection?
Hah can you imagine? I’m just dubious about Trump having a mandate.
yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland’s news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
Afaik there is no evidence to the contrary.
No evidence as in it has been investigated reliably and nothing was found or as in nothing has been done because there is no obvious evidence?
I’m like you, no expert on American elections, but as far as I know no evidence exists which necessitates a more in depth investigation than what’s usual.
If you search there are loads of attempts by russians to influence the election but none seem to have been very successful. So there has certainly been attempts but there is nothing pointing to any influence great enough to sway the election in any way.
I assume you were referring to this article earlier: https://www.hs.fi/maailma/art-2000010793845.html
In the first incident only 3 ballots were damaged and in the later incident roughly 488 were damaged. https://apnews.com/article/ballot-drop-box-fires-portland-vancouver-60fea753ceb761624e6aba49f0e9dd99
The vast majority of the damaged ballots were able to be identified so replacement ballots could be sent. Only 6 were unidentifiable. A few more may have burned down completely and weren’t even able to be unidentifiable.
I just cant believe actual majority of americans would want that idiot in power.
Yeah, I absolutely get that.
It’s honestly quite sad.
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Good thing we didn’t vote! We might have changed this!
If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, close Guantanamo, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. Of course!
Assuming you meant it sarcastically, this is brilliant.
It is. I’m not American but we are facing similar issues where I live and it’s a bit insulting to be told that simply voting would change anything.
We (and the US) have alternated between two major parties for decades. They have had ample time to show us how they run things. And from what we’ve seen, it’s difficult to assume that anything would be different the next time they are in power.
That’s my perspective. The two parties take turns steering the Titanic. Democrats seek compromise with the icebergs. Republicans look for more and bigger icebergs, full speed ahead.
We humans need to be about an order of magnitude more unruly in order to survive our own banal ideologies.
Please, can we be?! 🙏
US politics has had two major parties since the beginning (Useful Charts YT channel ). They’ve splintered and switched around names and policies, and some third parties have popped up for causes, but the system is biased to keep two in power.
Just pointing out that the last time Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority and the Presidency, it was for 73 days in 2009 and Obamacare was passed.
Yeah, they think they’re making a clever point, but Democrats literally tried to do many of those things, and were consistently blocked by Republicans.
I swear, these people have no fucking concept of how their own country functions.
You’re right that they don’t have any idea how the country functions. When polled 3/4 of Americans can’t name the 3 branches of government. Only 17 states require students to pass a civics test to graduate high school. Only 9 states and DC require students to take a year of US government or civics. 8 states have no civics requirements at all.
Almost as if it’s by design…
You do have to vote for the right ones in the primaries first. Someone being a part of a coalition does not mean they universally support all of a certain set of issues. Universal health care is a good example, some dems support it and some do not. Need to primary in the ones that do.
Except the Dems have no obligation to primary candidates other than the ones that they choose, legally or otherwise.
Not to say don’t go out and vote, but the corporate Dems have an incentive to prevent things from changing for the better of anyone except for the oligarchy. It’s the ratchet effect - Republicans drive things ever further to the right, and Dems keep it from moving one way or another, thereby turning the extreme into the status quo.
We’re going to have to fight the Dems as well to get this stuff done.
I think it’s less an oligarchic conspiracy to keep power and more often a misguided belief that neo-liberalism is a viable political philosophy, alongside our campaign finance laws leaving us fundamentally vulnerable in a way that cannot be fixed without an amendment or winning the Supreme Court finally. Not that there aren’t oligarchs that want more power, but blaming everything on them is missing half the picture of the reality of our situation. We would still be in this mess without any oligarchs, so long as the other two problems remain, as they create more systemic weaknesses.
I basically agree with you 100%. I think the whole thing is a series of shortsighted choices that have led to a situation where we have an essentially unmoving class of politicians in control who care more about their purse strings than they do actually solving anything, and nothing the average person can do about it. The only people who could really fix the issues in the system are dependent on those issues to keep their jobs.
I also didn’t mean that politicians are oligarchs, regardless of party. They’re servants to the oligarchs of the US - people like Bezos and Musk.
Sure, I understand what an oligarch is. I just think their influence is overestimated, and the amount of people that think neo-liberalism is legitimately a good thing from a philosophical standpoint is underestimated.
People tend to blame that on oligarchs, which is a convenient cop-out imo. Oligarchs have become this boogey-man we can conveniently blame our problems on instead of having to take a more critical look at our problems in things like messaging and communication.
edit: Like, look at Joe Rogan. I don’t think his success in communication is due to oligarchy in any of its forms. That’s an example of the kind of communication and outreach that we lack, though. They’ve got it, we don’t.
I mean, a lot of news outlets are owned by the same groups funding politicians on both sides and far right think tanks. After 9/11, somebody bought up over 500 local news channels with the express purpose of running more anti-Muslim news.
There isn’t some big conspiracy going on, but the facts of US politics are that since Reagan, the laws have been made based largely on the whims of the rich. More often than the majority, at least. And what do the rich want? More money. And dumb, angry people have been great for revenue. So the rich make decisions to benefit their bottom line, and politicians are beholden to their corporate sponsors, and it all leads down the rabbit hole of grifters and tech bros and all. Not in some long con conspiracy, but in idiots chasing infinite growth and infinite profits with no thought for 2 years down the road.
I think there’s a big issue with Dems in their messaging, both in style and who they platform to, but the extremists have an advantage here: people think emotionally, not rationally. So if your job is to tell people that it’s not their fault their lives suck, it’s the fault of (insert minority group here), that’s going to be a lot more palatable to people than “Biden added 500,000 jobs to the economy during his presidency” when much of the country have to choose between food and heat this week.
I also agree with the neo-liberalism (also, both sides-ism and centrists), but I think that also can be partially blamed on the Dems, and also our culture in general. The Dems have been the party of “reaching across the aisle” since before I was born, and my entire life it has only allowed things to get worse. The Dems clearly have a losing strategy, but they’ve tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas because they refuse to let truly progressive candidates lead the party for fear of giving up their power/positions (and their corporate sponsors).
It was going this way no matter what and the only question was how soon based on the voting choices we’re allowed to have.
People not voting is a symptom of the inherent contradictions of our system and we’re ignoring this and other symptoms because they seem fixable; they’re not but we’re going to try anyways because we don’t know better and we don’t know better because we’re told that we have the best system our entire lives.
