Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
they’ve said a lot of statements of caution
Who said what again?
In speech this week, Biden boasted about making the US so much stronger militarily that sets up Trump for “success”.
In another speech, or maybe the same one, he patted himself on the back for leaving Trump the strongest economy evah!
The peaceful transfer of power to fascists from fascists
Lets be real. This wouldn’t have happened if the dems weren’t also genocidal trash.
Civility is the highest liberal virtue.
Either it’s civility, or it’s compromise and reaching across the aisle, but of course even compromise must always be done with great civility.
They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
They held a vote over if you wanted them to do something, and democrat voters stayed home while republicans showed up. We have literally no one to blame but ourselves. Vote if you get another chance, fight for that chance if you don’t.
Netanyahu started a war with Palestine to get liberals pissed off at Democrats who basically have their hands tied due to the Jewish relationship with Dems and Israel being tied to our national security.
Oh boy, now you’re gonna get all the “no, it’s Democrats’ fault that I didn’t vote!” people desperately trying to assuage the guilt they’re feeling for the idiotic decision that they made in the face of countless people pleading with them not to.
I voted for Kamala. The blame is 100% on her and the Democrats for losing. Let’s forget policy entirely and look at their strategic choices. They didn’t hold a primary despite 60% of their own voters wanting a different candidate. They hid signs of Biden’s cognitive decline until they were too public to ignore. When it was clear he could not win, they appointed a successor who failed to win a single state in 2020. She then went on to hire the same people who lost to Trump in 2016, and they lost again by running the same strategy of, “court disaffected Republicans,” which failed n 2016.
It is the job of a political party to get people to vote for their candidate. The party failed to do this through spectacular incompetence. They are the only people who should feel guilty.
This is a real “whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better”. Somehow everyone is compelled to vote for politicians who are complicit in a genocide, but not to vote for anyone else - by the overwhelming argument of “it’s what a lot of people voted for last time so we have to keep doing it”.
And it’s not the fault of the people who voted for the fascist that you’re focused on - or your own fault for voting for someone who’s also a fascist, but more subtle about it - no, it’s only the people who didn’t vote for any kind of fascist, who are at fault for the fascist being elected. I’m sure you think this logic is completely sane and not just the entire reason we have bipartisan fascism and support for genocide in the U.S., not to even get into the global empire.
False. The democrats ran a terrible campaign. Biden refused to step down, until it was too late to primary. They forced a candidate upon the country without a democratic process. Their campaign had terrible messaging and was tone deaf to the real situation the working class faces. They were unable to convince millions of voters that showed out for them last time to show up again. The democrats are more concerned with protecting their donors than they are protecting the working class and winning. Until you and everyone else oblivious can come to grips with this, nothing will change.
And before you say anything stupid, I voted for her.
OP isn’t wrong and neither are you. Democrats didn’t show up, republicans did that is why Harris lost.
But Harris lost because of everything you wrote as well.
Don’t forget the last 4 years of failing to deliver any meaningful improvements for the people who voted in 2020 or even stopping republicans from banning abortion. Also a year and a half of facilitating genocide while encouraging universities to beat the shit out of the very same politically-active students who would otherwise be campaigning for the democrats.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy? That doesn’t excuse them from not taking the gloves off and being very vocal about the roadblocks.
Gaza, while an issue is not moving the needle for the majority of voters.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy?
Use executive orders. Instead of asking the SCOTUS to tell texas to remove the child drowning fence across the rio, and look like you don’t actually want it gone, send in a tank to tear it out. The commander in chief can just do that. They can also order military hospitals to provide women with reproductive healthcare.
Did you not remember the Trump administration, where he’d try something new every week, and even if it did get shut down, getting told “no” after you’ve already accomplished what you wanted is better than not trying at all.
Appoint a head of the DoJ that would throw Trump in prison and investigate Manchin’s family.
Appoint a head of the DEA who would actually reschedule cannabis. You don’t need congress for these things.
ml users are incapable of nuanced discourse.
This is instance-based hate speech, a direct violation of rule 6.
Poor Biden and Harris right? They did their bestest but if the people dont like them then maybe they just won’t talk to them anymore. Good thing we have some adults in the room.
Guess who made an absurd amount of money losing the election? Do people not realize what donations are spent on?
What do you want them to do? Barricade themselves in the Oval Office and go out in a blaze of glory?
Maybe arrest the criminal that was literally about to be sentenced?
Maybe not invite the dude over for cookies and tea.
Politicians are all on the same team against humanity.
This is the only alternative you can envision? Either Biden and Harris say nothing, as they’ve done since the election, or they go full Rambo in the White House?
Yes
People who hate democrats calling for the democrats to overthrow the US government to save them after voting third party. Lol.
after
voting third partyafter not bothering to vote at all.
Edit: You can downvote if you like, but 88 million Americans sat on their arses instead of going out to prevent this shit show. That’s 11 million more than voted for either candidate.
It’s always the same tune with these “folks”.
They shoot themselves in the foot and go online to lament about how they’re oppressed now and it’s gotta be someone else’s fault.
By these “folks”… You’re talking about genocide joe and kamalacaust, right?
It’s honestly embarrassing and makes the left look bad.
And I’m sure someone will come in here to tell me that I’m a “shitlib” or something and not a leftist, because I don’t pass their horseshit purity test.
This is why the left can never do shit. Nobody else is the “correct” kind of left in their mind, and therefore they refuse to even deal with them, let alone attempt to form any kind of coalition. It’s so fucking cringe to anybody who lives in the real world.
If the US had Defensive Democracy, then maybe they could do something.
But instead, we have whoever wins (aka: gets the most rich doners) gets to become president, even if they want to violate the very oath they are about to take.
Which means that the only thing that can stop the orange idiot is one high ranking military officer having the courage to arrest him as a domestic threat to America. Although that would come with its own set of problems. In other words, we’re fucked.
That would be considered an illegal coup, however ethical that act might be, it wont be legal, and thus nobody would do it. So yes indeed, we’re fucked.
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Didn’t Eisenhower or some president warn about the dangers of the burgeoning military indistrial complex in his farewell address?
And Eisenhower is remembered for it, respected for it, 60+ years later.
Biden and Harris will say nothing.
The fuck are they supposed to do!? We as Americans voted Trump or didn’t vote at all. Therefore, the fascists won.
They could’ve held a primary… Like a democracy kinda thing?
Trump got the same votes as last time basically.
Democrats didn’t show up. Again.
I think too many of them felt complacent in the idea that Trump couldn’t win…
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
Maybe it isn’t the fault of kids who oppose genocide… But it has to do with genocide joe and kamalacaust supporting a genocide?
Those kids are idiots who don’t understand how the world works. At best. At worst they’re know what they’re doing and lying for money.
The choice wasn’t genocide or rainbows. The choice was allowing the other country to do genocide or actively participating in the worst version of it. That was painfully, totally obvious to everyone with half a brain. Those people in question helped promoting the second choice that is worse for everyone but couple of rich dudes. They are absolutely to blame for what they did. They weren’t the only party to blame, but they absolutely were part of it.
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
Boy, you really shoehorned that in.
Are you disputing that there’s a genocide against Palestinians? Are you disputing the Biden administration’s singular role in facilitating that genocide? Do you disagree that genocide is the worst crime mankind is capable of, short of perhaps total nuclear annihilation of all life? I’m not a “single issue” voter, but boy, if I had to pick one issue, it’d be fucking genocide. I honestly don’t know how you people live with yourselves.
I am describing the situation where people thought that they are chosing between a genocide and no genocide, where in reality it was absolutely painfully obvious that they were choosing between a lot of good with a little genocide and everything being worse and genocide being the worst of the worse.
And now every thing that Trump will do worse than Kamala ever was able to do is in part those people’s fault.
Because, and it’s weird that I need to repeat this so often, when you’re making a choice you need to chose of available options and can’t wish for a secret non-existent option. That never worked and that didn’t work this time either.
I wish I didn’t know how you people live with yourselves, but I unfortunately know.
If you think the people who don’t like seeing American bombs ripping children apart day in and day out were enough to swing the vote, don’t you think the democrats should have listened to us?
I bet you feel better now, when more bombs will bomb more children and you helped this happen.
You had the choice between bad and worse. not an appealing choice. but everyone knew those who liked the orange monkey would go vote. so not voting, in protest against bad is a vote for worse.
so yes, the democrats in usa have lost the connection to their base. however, this doesn’t give anyone able to vote, the right to blame them for an elected baboon.
“You were handed a choice by the same system committing genocide, it’s on you to unquestioningly accept that choice and not seek any alternative, thereby guaranteeing all manner of crimes against humanity will continue indefinitely. I think this because I’m incapable of understanding that both parties supporting genocide completely discredits any theory about their political independence.”
No that’s probably a lot to do with it.
Given all the “We’re staying home because Kamala’s bad for Palestine… Wait Trump won? But he’s WORSE for Palestine, how could this happen!!!”
Yeah…
“If only someone had warned us…”
Yeah Trump won the election. That is how democracy works.
Reporter: “Would you ceded the election if you lose?”
Trump: “If it’s a fair election.”
The reds prepped for MONTHS if not longer to fight democracy if Trump lost. They had loads of active cases up until the election on loads of bullshit interference. Which all promptly disappeared when Trump won.
Democracy isn’t the issue. It’s the corruption of these rich assholes.
Also that they act in lock step, dissidents will be rooted out. So they become a (seemingly) united front, which helps immensely at systematically eroding democratic institutions or destroying political enemies
how it should work. we saw 4 years ago how that is not how it works under said fascism
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Don’t blame them, blame the people who didn’t vote
Let’s blame everyone for everything they did wrong. Blaming people who did nothing before you blame the actual Trump voters is literally insane.
But also blame the DNC for running a de-energizing campaign yet again.
Maybe the fact that people need to be “energized” in order to fucking vote is the problem?
Like I’m sorry, but “you just didn’t energize me enough” is not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever. Just goes to show the depth of the average American voter. Just completely devoid of critical thought.
not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever
I’m so sick of authoritarian pricks pretending they get to decide what is and is not valid in our system. People not voting is valid and the DNC failed to get them to change their mind
Stop huffing copium and deal with reality
My favorite is the old standby, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.”
The DNC has more power and resources to do something about it then I do. I can chew out individual people I meet, but I don’t really have the logistical rouses to go around telling 160 million people that Trump would be worse.
And yes, the American voter lacks critical thought. It’s something that takes a back seat to sports or job training in public education.
People who weren’t energized enough by the perspective of Trump don’t count as citizens anyway. I don’t know what type of energy you personally wanted, but nothing will work on those who saw Trump’s shitshow and decided to sit this one out because Kamala didn’t dance enough or whatever
I think people were more tired because Kamala was dancing too much. As in, she and Biden were just there for show and didn’t really accomplish much. I did vote for her, but it wasn’t because of anything they did.
No, blame Biden and his stupid arrogance.
The man knows his brain is melting AND he knows his presidency is unpopular, but sure, he’s going to waste months of campaign time and tens of millions of dollars, and then, to make it even better, he’s going to make sure no one in the Democratic Party tries to react to it like a reasonable person and politician.
Biden made plenty of mistakes but ultimately the people who didn’t vote are the most directly responsible, full stop.
Each individual voter only had a say in their own vote unless they campaigned as well. Biden was in the position to change how he was seen by all voters. Who has more responsibility here?
The democrats knew genocide decreases voter turnout. They did it anyway. The democrats knew ending covid protections, banning tiktok, restarting student loan repayments, etc all lower voter turnout. They did it anyway.
You can wish that we lived in a world where these things didn’t lower voter turnout, but that’s not productive.
Only the democrats had the power to change the outcome of this election.
And so they deserve fascism.
This attitude will forever lose, you know that, right? This unwillingness to adapt is loser behavior.
And so they deserve fascism.
Yeah, the person you replied to definitely did not say that.
The people who voted for Trump are obviously the most directly responsible, full stop with parking brake.
What are they supposed to do?
The majority voted for Trump. What more is there to discuss?
A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don’t help them with their propaganda
Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland’s news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
Afaik there is no evidence to the contrary.
No evidence as in it has been investigated reliably and nothing was found or as in nothing has been done because there is no obvious evidence?
I’m like you, no expert on American elections, but as far as I know no evidence exists which necessitates a more in depth investigation than what’s usual.
If you search there are loads of attempts by russians to influence the election but none seem to have been very successful. So there has certainly been attempts but there is nothing pointing to any influence great enough to sway the election in any way.
I assume you were referring to this article earlier: https://www.hs.fi/maailma/art-2000010793845.html
In the first incident only 3 ballots were damaged and in the later incident roughly 488 were damaged. https://apnews.com/article/ballot-drop-box-fires-portland-vancouver-60fea753ceb761624e6aba49f0e9dd99
The vast majority of the damaged ballots were able to be identified so replacement ballots could be sent. Only 6 were unidentifiable. A few more may have burned down completely and weren’t even able to be unidentifiable.
They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
Wall, I for one appreciate when someone acta civil. Especially when they can’t do anything anyway.
Because you have no fight in you. Was MLK civil? More than Malcolm, maybe, but no he wasn’t.
Bernie Sanders has more fight right now than anyone in the upper echelons of the DNC.
They weren’t president though.
Presidents, president candidates, and other persons of similar power should just accept that they lost and not do another trump. That’s unless you want a political climate where every election there are fights regarding who won and a bunch of bullshit childish behaviour.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
But by all means you should protest every day of his presidency. But also remember that you guys choose this yourselves.
Presidents are supposed to be professionals and should act like it and that includes not being a bad loser.
Apparently, you wrote the rule book and Biden and Harris are following it.
Bruh, yeah obviously I wrote my own opinions.
So you’re an idiot.
Rude!
It’s okay if your hot take isn’t popular, don’t take it out on everyone else though…
With effort and imagination, insults can be amusing, interesting, outrageous, or profound.Please give us higher-quality insults, or no insults at all.
He’s an idiot screeching for decorum during the fall of the Republic, he doesn’t deserve better and coating an insult in wit doesn’t change its nature or intent.
screeching
Holy hyperbole batman, your reading comprehension might need some work.
Oh, look. They’re flocking.
The majority voted for Trump in a country with voter suppression, gerrymandering, and even terrorist threats against voters / poll workers. I don’t know what to think of that statistic in light of… many exhausting decades of bullshit.
So what? What are they supposed to do?
Stage an insurrection?
Hah can you imagine? I’m just dubious about Trump having a mandate.
The majority didn’t vote at all.
About 36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. That’s not a majority. Can we be accurate with facts here?
Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
No, and that’s their fault.
It’s very unfortunate but that’s the way it is. Deal with it and stop complaining. Find a good way to win the next election instead.
yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
Exactly.
