i wish no harm to american ruling class, my enemy is the american people
one person say that barbarism critic is “the brianna wu of 2025. Remember kids I called it”
i guess there is some very real perceived material interests of americans to continue the genocide in palestine, like the christian zionists, or the liberals who want to continue the american dominance via global hegemony, and the labor aristocrats in america who want the treats.
i was listening to rev left radio “The Long Transition Towards Socialism and the End of Capitalism” with Torkil Lauesen and, probably gonna butcher it - but my understanding is that as we enter a multipolar world, the americans will not be able to blatantly exploit the over-exploited nations (global south) leading to increasingly deteriorating conditions in the imperial core, which will set the grounds very clearly between socialism and barbarism?
and we are to organize and help alleviate the woes of the people which also serve as a way of building relations that lead to building power via organizations.
(iirc the bolsheviks has above ground orgs and underground orgs for the law breaking stuff)
eh i dunno just over analyzing what do you peeps think.
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It’s hilarious how much USAmericans shits their pants whenever anyone shows them the same sort of contempt they have for the rest of humanity lmao
You don’t get to seamlessly go from “Glass the middle east/China/Russia/North Korea!” to “Why can’t we all just get along?” without people asking questions
A few settlers even telling on themselves in this thread by jumping straight to “Americans will be exterminated and put in camps” panic. I wonder what level of “collateral damage” these people are actually willing to endure to bring about change.
Would she hold it against a Palestinian from Gaza who prays that the fire completely consume LA?
Most people in the global North but especially Americans only seem to get indignant over consumer issues. Like the arguments of not being able to afford quality boots or 1000 hour lightbulbs. Or whining they can’t afford eggs in response to prospect of the US expanding its borders and all the bloodshed that could lead to.
Without real theory, these ideas collapse into ur-fascist nostalgia.
I don’t expect working class solidarity from the people at the imperial core while they are still benefactors from my oppression, even if it is indirectly. They should already know that their luxuries are in great part a product of our exploitation and if they are ignorant about it it is not my fault, fuck them. The day I see them organized and giving substantial help to our struggles in the global south I might change my mind. They are not willing to give up their privileges in order to enact real and concrete international solidarity.
“Workers of the world unite” is a nice phrase, but call me when there are any American blue/white collar workers organized with Congolese cobalt miners or Mexican factory workers.
The same amount of money that can feed a Global South worker for a month is spent in a weekend to buy useless shit for fun by an average American/Western-European worker, the latter is not prepared to renounce to their treats. Maybe one day they won’t be able to afford them anymore… I wanna see how they will react.
imo they’re mostly just tone-policing this “Miroslav” person. Broadly if people outside the US say that kind of stuff I’m sympathetic to it because they’ve been on the receiving end of US economic warfare or military intervention.
If somebody had a sincere conversation with them rather than an antagonistic back-and-forth on hitlerite social media, they probably wouldn’t elaborate their beliefs as a genuine desire to see every person in the US die or suffer.
Yeah this. Zero empathy from the supposed internationalists. I think the issue is, and always will be, that white people are too easily offended.
they probably wouldn’t elaborate their beliefs as a genuine desire to see every person in the US die or suffer
but even if they did…
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JUST KIDDING IM KIDDING ITS A JOKE OKAY
I mean, as a Burger, I had someone from Sarajevo basically tell me she hates all Americans and especially anyone who was ever in the US military. I wasn’t fully aware of US/western intervention and influence in the Balkans back then, so I didn’t understand the resentment. I asked her and she told me about growing up seeing her country destroyed. All you can really say to something like that is “Oh… I understand then.”
We actually became friends after that. She was a bio student like me at the time and knew a lot of interesting stuff from the Soviet times. I would ask her to tell me more about her country, and she would ask me about…guns. Valuable cultural exchange?
I’m just skimming all of this but as a communist I’m interested in also improving the lives of people I don’t like. Not like…class enemies but I am trying to make the lives of some less well off chuds better because I’m not a moralist. There is a line that can’t be crossed and generally you need some degree of power to cross it. Americans mostly suck, I’m candian we mostly suck and I’d rather see our more harmless naysayers eat crow and fall into line by seeing their material conditions genuinely improve, there’s some Renfields in the mix and they can get the pit but I think most people are just following the money at the end of the day and would be hard to mislead down these garden paths if they had their basic needs met, without a foreign entity to blame for a problem that no longer exists, most people will default to apathy. People won’t suck if you make it so the things around em don’t suck, and most people will just kinda go with whatever status quo works for them until it doesn’t. Powerless randoms on the wrong side of things can be obstacles, but if they aren’t picking up a gun then they’re propaganda obstacles, culture war obstacles. You got to know who your enemy is and also when to attack and when to bypass. Online do whatever but irl be tactical and tactful, pitch what communism can do for YOU
i mean someone on this site told me that sandy hook was good because those kids were growing up in Connecticut, so they’re gonna turn out to be insurance execs and bankers anyways which is way worse than what this dude said
I like that the last reply got 3 upbears
I refuse to believe that isn’t a bit
Reading into this too much is dumb. Random poster fight on the internet. Yeah, there’s a lot of reactionary Americans. Hate them sure. Hating all Americans is obviously dumb and misanthropic, though I don’t blame people who are victims of US imperialism for feeling that way.
That’s pretty much it.
that often posted redsails brainwashing article is probably relevant here
i used to be way more bitter about Americans and the west having access to covid vaccines and refusing to give it to the rest of the world, thinking they deserve covid. even then i thought pharma ceos should go into the woodchipper though.
now i think American ignorance (and bigotry) comes from the political environment rather than anything ‘intrinsic’ about them.
Okay, but where do we go from there? That political environment isn’t going away, it’s there by design, and soon their ignorance and bigotry fuels back into the machine that created it and the world suffers. People are genocided, people are conquered, people are displaced as their countries are coup’d and invaded. The ignorant and bigoted are there to tell you that it’s right because it’s being done by America and its interests.
I believe we’re long past the point where it matters whether it’s intrinsic or not. The result is the same, because the masses do not have the power or will to break away from their political environment. And until they do, they’re complicit.
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I don’t know enough about the intricacies of Indian politics to be able to discuss it specifically. However, my position is that any people who blindly accept their political environment, prop up and defend the systems of oppression without critical thought, for their own benefit (even if that benefit is small), should not be surprised when the victims of that oppression and their sympathisers see them as the problem. If the oppressed groups of India feel contempt towards the benefitting majority’s lack of action, my sympathy is with the oppressed, not the masses.
To me, it’s clear as day that the people who do not question their political environment usually do so because they benefit from it in some way. And they end up becoming the shields of that environment. When they decide to be a shield for genocide, imperialism, hegemony, they become part of that political environment. It doesn’t matter whether it’s intrinsic or they do it because they don’t know what else to do, they become the enemy.
So you’re saying human beings are products of their environment, and don’t possess intrinsic properties based on which lines in the sand they happened to be born between? Absolutely wild!
i just can’t be one of those people to say “yeah lol line me up against the wall and blow my brains out, i’ll even help!”
i do get people feeling this way. especially anyone on the business end of american Imperialism. i won’t fault them
but yeah i’ve stated it before but genocide bad, no matter what. that’s all i’ll say.
No one has ever seriously advocated for genocide against Americans
A person who is okay with the American ruling class but hates regular Yanks is obviously imaginary, so the left being criticized here is the one that wishes ill on regular Americans (in this case probably the victims of those fires in California). I would compare those leftists to so-called anti-white racists or misandrists, in that they do not exist in any real social way and as far as they have an ideology it has absolutely no vitality. Similarly, criticizing them as if they are a danger to the movement is a form of white/male/Yank chauvinism, respectively.
Not American, but from a western imperialist nation with a lot of similar incentives so I still relate to this a lot and spent a fair amount of time thinking about it.
Whenever I read public discourse I can’t help but think my country is filled with insufferable, ignorant, smug selfish pricks who couldn’t care less about other people’s suffering. However, maybe this is a hot take, but does it really matter? Realistically you’re never gonna make a difference anywhere else in the world. The people around you are what you have to work with, it’s where you have to find like-minded people and organize and try to change minds and hopefully find friends and connections. You can go around and wish suffering on the people around you instead, but that’s not going to achieve anything other than make people creeped out and not want to be around you.
It’s also worth keeping in mind that violent, reactionary brainrot exists everywhere, and has plenty of political power most places. Western chauvinism is just the most uniquely destructive kind. You’re probaly not going to be happy with the general population no matter where you go.
I can’t help but think my country is filled with insufferable, ignorant, smug selfish pricks who couldn’t care less about other people’s suffering.
My true horror at this feeling is knowing that I used to be like them, which implies even more horrifyingly that I have some kind of duty to help them be more like me.
I wish harm to the American ruling class
Maoist third-worldist that supports reactionary, bourgeois movements in the global north solely because it oppresses westerners.
I made a joke a while ago about a MTW guy who likes the electoral college giving disproportionately more power to rural states because the countryside surrounds the city. If we work hard enough, we could come up with a whole ideology here.
memeing posadism 2.0 into existence
Critical support to the ghoul squad ✊
