i wish no harm to american ruling class, my enemy is the american people

op admits it was a joke originally, but says after witnessing the contempt of the american people for gaza, is sad to say his joke was correct (unless i’m misreading this)

the user posting_forever writes “yeah well welcome to what happens when your country bombs and threatens half of the earth. feels pretty shitty, huh?”

barbarism critic continues their thread “If you have posted this as a joke that’s one thing, but there’s wayyyy too much of this sentiment expressed sincerely on here and as a signifier of being the “most radical”. It is not! It is poorly disguised misanthropy and nihilism!”

one person say that barbarism critic is “the brianna wu of 2025. Remember kids I called it”

i guess there is some very real perceived material interests of americans to continue the genocide in palestine, like the christian zionists, or the liberals who want to continue the american dominance via global hegemony, and the labor aristocrats in america who want the treats.

i was listening to rev left radio “The Long Transition Towards Socialism and the End of Capitalism” with Torkil Lauesen and, probably gonna butcher it - but my understanding is that as we enter a multipolar world, the americans will not be able to blatantly exploit the over-exploited nations (global south) leading to increasingly deteriorating conditions in the imperial core, which will set the grounds very clearly between socialism and barbarism?

and we are to organize and help alleviate the woes of the people which also serve as a way of building relations that lead to building power via organizations.

(iirc the bolsheviks has above ground orgs and underground orgs for the law breaking stuff)

eh i dunno just over analyzing what do you peeps think.

  • WasteTime [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    36·
    13 hours ago

    I don’t expect working class solidarity from the people at the imperial core while they are still benefactors from my oppression, even if it is indirectly. They should already know that their luxuries are in great part a product of our exploitation and if they are ignorant about it it is not my fault, fuck them. The day I see them organized and giving substantial help to our struggles in the global south I might change my mind. They are not willing to give up their privileges in order to enact real and concrete international solidarity.

    “Workers of the world unite” is a nice phrase, but call me when there are any American blue/white collar workers organized with Congolese cobalt miners or Mexican factory workers.

    The same amount of money that can feed a Global South worker for a month is spent in a weekend to buy useless shit for fun by an average American/Western-European worker, the latter is not prepared to renounce to their treats. Maybe one day they won’t be able to afford them anymore… I wanna see how they will react.

    • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      1 hour ago

      You do realize that most of the workers in the imperial core are also exploited right? And that our government has been proven to not represent us? We live in an oligarchy.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        4·
        23 minutes ago

        Here’s the thing: yes, a worker in the imperial core is exploited. You might be getting paid $14/hr to produce $25/hr of value for a corporation. This is how capitalist production works, we all know it and we all want to abolish it. But there’s a few things that, from the perspective of a periphery worker, are incredibly relevant here:

        • The vast majority of the productive labor in the world economy actually happens in the periphery and semi-periphery nations. The most relevant sector of economic production within the core is capital intensive production of technological goods and weapons. So it’s the periphery that is actually feeding* the world and producing the world’s clothes. (*Of course, there is plenty of agrarian production within the core too, but it often relies on the exploitation of undocumented migrant labor or just explicit slave labor through prison slavery, which I argue is significantly distinct from the capitalist mode of production)
        • The US dollar’s value is tied to the circulation of the natural resources and exploited labor previously discussed, not the United States’ production. The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency and as long as a supermajority of critical resources are traded in USD, every country will want to export goods in exchange for dollars, even if the US printed trillions and trillions of dollars. And US private banks have done exactly that, giving US consumers a ridiculous amount of buying power to consume the commodities produced abroad.
        • Due to the hugely inflated value of a US dollar, a worker in the imperial core that gets paid in dollars, British Pounds, or Euro is simply not in anywhere near the same league as a Sri Lankan seamstress that’s earning the equivalent of $270 a year to sew clothes that will sell for 40x that amount when they get shipped to the US.

        Is it in the seamstress’ interest in any way for imperial core workers to become politically organized and overthrow capitalism in their countries? Yes, of course! But with the incentive structure at hand, labor unions in the core aren’t political vanguards attempting to overthrow capital, they’re willing accomplices in imperialism who want a bigger slice of the pie. The question should then be, how can we get imperial core workers to organize against their own best interest to overthrow imperialism, a system that benefits them?