the short version was that it was an up-and-coming federated protocol, with people working on clients and stuff, and trying to attract users. then everyone got really excited when Google decided to start using XMPP in their Google Talk product, because it would mean instant adoption by a ton of people! except now everyone just used Google Talk as their client, because it was ahead of the existing XMPP clients in terms of usability/UX, and UX work on other clients kinda died. but over time, Google being Google, they got distracted and started neglecting Google Talk, failing to enable TLS support while the rest of the XMPP ecosystem started making it mandatory, essentially cutting off all Google Talk users from the rest of the XMPP network. so now you had a Google Talk network that everyone was using with a decent-ish client, and an XMPP network that a bunch of people were using with clients that sucked, and they couldn’t talk, and all the momentum in developing a strong stand-alone network was lost due to people letting Google control the whole thing

Over the years, open-source has kinda turned from “let’s build a public commons” into “let’s do free work for big corporations” and it’s… not a good change, to say the least

  • Sam@community.xmpp.net
    13·
    3 years ago

    When people say “killed” they obviously don’t mean “literally no one uses it”. Also no one really cares that Whatsapp or Google are still using it internally. Google did serious damage to the public network and the broader XMPP ecosystem and it’s worth acknowledging and learning from that instead of just complaining that someone wasn’t absolutely precise in their language. For all intents and purposes, XMPP is effectively dead to the general public. Let’s try to bring it back to popular use and make sure Google et al. can’t do their “embrace, extend, extinguish” thing again.

    TL;DR — please stop being snarky to the OP.

    • TheConquestOfBed
      7·
      3 years ago

      Internet users in the 00s: “We need to maintain awareness of the rise of walled gardens and the negative impact they can have on online social behavior.”

      Internet users in the 20s: “I love my walled garden. Google’s boot tastes delicious!”

      • Sam@community.xmpp.net
        6·
        3 years ago

        This is exactly why we should stop pretending everything is fine and actually try to address the problem of Google doing damage to open ecosystems.

          • pep@community.xmpp.net
            4·
            3 years ago

            I doubt they’ve “done” anything to GitHub. GitHub has done that to themselves by buying into capitalism, being a centralized platform, etc. I’m not sure what else people expected of it.