I don’t know if this is the community to ask this but i don’t know where to post otherwise. And sorry for my bad english
Ok so, i am new to communism/socialism and have been teaching myself what the principles of the ideology are. But i am really confused, and need help in learning the beliefs of communism/socialism.
For example: What side do you guys stand against the war in Ukraine? Are there any books or documentries that can help me understand communism a bit better? Is religion accepted in a communist nation? What is the AES? Etc.
Any information is usefull.
May God bless you and have a nice day…
Edit: Sorry, but after reading the reasons on why Russia is right in this conflict. I can’t agree with it, i’m sorry but war isn’t the way. And i do not support Ukraine for that matter, Ukraine is very corrupted and fascist. But gotta say, thank you for teaching me what i can do to learn communism a bit better, i am very gratefull…
I’m sorry but not everything is “an appeasement”. Many people here are not as pro-Russia as they are anti-NATO and that is a fine stance to take. No one here should forget that most things Russian government does fucking suck and the only reason Communists should critically support it is because it resists NATO, which is the more destructive force.
Russia is not Imperialist, and repeating this line is to use a psychological weapon of the west against your own comrades.
“The only reason you should support Russia is because they stand against NATO”
Hilarious. You state such a significant and vital conflict for the continuation of human civilization as " the only reason" as if it’s not the most important reason in the world. NATO is the Fourth Reich.
Your diminishment of Russia’s vital role in the destruction of the US Empire is borderline Nazi apologia.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/themilitant/socialist-appeal-1939/v03n21/lenin.htm
I agree fully on Dialectical Drip’s Anti-NATO stance. The Russian Federation as a reactionary state in the shadow of the USSR isn’t being anti imperial to spread global communism. While anti-imperial policy will be a net good and probably pave the way for success of the BRI, Russia is in this conflict for the preservation of its own bourgeoise class against NATO’s. You don’t necessarily gotta hand it to em’. The world isn’t black and white.
Your quote is meaningless. That quote is about WW1, an interimperialist war with no AES states involved (they didnt exist). The current Ukraine War is much more similar to WW2 than to WW1. In WW2 we supported capitalist and imperialist states (US, UK and France) because they were allied with a socialist state (USSR) against a bigger threat (nazis). Should communists in France, the UK and the US have advocated revolutionary defeatism and let the nazis win? Of course not, same thing here. In our case, its even more straight forward because Russia isnt even imperialist, only capitalist. Russia is allied with several AES states like China, Cuba and DPRK and many more antiimperialist ones like Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Belarus and Syria. Russia is not only our ally, but a key one, without which China and the antiimperialist bloc would have no chance of defeating US imperialism. Supporting Russia in this war isnt “social chauvinism”, its supporting communism against imperialism. China supports Russia in this war, but you smartass western communist wont?
I don’t think wholesale blind support or blind condemnation are correct in this instance. Blind condemnation of the war is an obviously liberal take. In the long term the war is likely to have positive effects on BRI countries and a deservedly negative effect on NATO countries (I took a bit of guilty pleasure in hearing that NATO officers are currently trapped in Mariupol).
I’m just saying that the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation isn’t the same thing as a Communist International and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s possible to say the war will have a good outcome but be critical of the conservative ideology of the entity leading the charge (essentially asking ‘do ends always justify the means?’). We also can’t assume allies will remain allies after their current goals are achieved. Iran and Saudi Arabia’s allyship is tenuous at best, for example, and the voting out of Imran Khan shows how the SCO and BRI can be unbalanced by outside influences. I would like to believe the SCO can bring the countries in its influence closer to Chinese Communism, but without proletarian revolution that’s not a guarantee.
I feel the closest historical parallel to the current ideological shift in the global south is the rise of social democracy in Post-WWI Western Europe, which generally sought to improve living conditions and a modicum of labor rights, but wasn’t exactly a success for the Comintern.
I’m welcome to being proven wrong, however, as time passes and we see how these alliances play out.
Nobody here is anti-Russia / not supporting Russia as the preferable side in this conflict, yet it doesnt change the reality that Russia is in fact an oligarchic shithole. I gladly support Russia in their war effort, I just dont feel a need to celebrate it and pretend like its the USSR reborn.
Noone is pretending Russia is the “USSR reborn”
From many comments here and elsewhere it sure seems that way…
From what I’ve seen I think that this war is a defensive war. Normally you shouldn’t invade other countries. If you’re Russia, you’ve seen what the US has been doing across the world. You’ve seen the Color Revolution which put Nazis in control of the Ukrainian government. You’ve seen the war in the Donbass. You’ve seen NATO establish training camps and the US pouring a sea of Arms into Ukraine.
I think the Invasion of Georgia was also Defensive. You understand that the US is trying to establish footholds along the Russian Border for the projection of power. The President of Georgia during this time had to flee the country after the Georgian people attempted to trial him for the crimes they themselves said he committed. And where did he flee to? To become the Mayor of Odessa. It’s not hard to see these things.
If Ukraine was a free nation I would be more critical of Russia, but it’s a zombie nation puppeted by Nazis. I think that Russia’s actions are appropriate almost to the point of imperative.
When Russia went to Syria, the Syrian government was still intact. But what if the United States was Successful in installing ISIS as the government in Syria? If Russia went to Syria then, would that really be an unforgivable invasion?
I don’t care for or follow Russia very much. I am looking at this primarily as someone who opposes the United States. There is no way to see these to sides as equally wrong. You’d have to be looking at this as an isolated event rather than as a final piece in a whole string of color revolutions. Which is how Russia in seeing this, and how you should too. You don’t look at raindrops as isolated events. You see it raining.
I am fully aware of the events of things all the way back to Russia being denied NATO membership in the 90s. In my other long post below this one I go over my opinions on the SCO which is the broader NATO equivalent in Eurasia. I agree that the war is probably necessary and the material conditions creating it come from western bourgeoise interests.
My only critique is how we look at the war as communists. As a pro-global-south person it’s both interesting to see how this will develop the BRI to break the shackles of neo-colonies, and terrifying to worry how the global north will react and sow further discord as they’re doing now in Pakistan and Sri Lanka. But as a communist, looking entirely at how this progresses the aims of the proletariate: while it’s likely to improve material conditions for impoverished people around the world, I don’t see it as a harbinger of global communism. And I think we have to be careful not to conflate these things by not immediately adding value judgements to them and simply look at the facts.
shit take if i ever saw one
Literal fucking Nazi apologia.
I knew it would show up here.
How the fuck is this nazi apologia.
If you hyperfocus on the one phrase it sorta matches a common radlib slogan right now, which I guess can raise hackles. I think when people get used to being on reddit they dig out their lines-in-the-sand so deep because it’s the only way to keep out the liberal onslaught. In a more isolated forum like this it’s possible to relax and look at things with a cool head or accept competing theories when the topic is vague or propagandized.
They’ll probably calm down eventually. Hexbear did.