• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    17412·
    15 days ago

    Of you ask me, this man is the reason for all of this. Bernie would have won reelection yesterday. Nearly anyone would have.

    • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
      342·
      15 days ago

      Well, ideally Bernie would have won reelection in 2020 so he wouldn’t have been able to run this time.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      166·
      15 days ago

      Anyone under the age of 60 … and as a person of colour, I hate to say it but … a white male

      Elect a bunch of socially minded white male leaders for a few terms and then you can move on to a progressive modern leader like a woman of colour

      We haven’t jumped into the future yet … everyone still acts like deranged cavemen so don’t hope for dramatic changes to happen like eliminating racism to take place in the space of a hundred years.

    • Paddzr@lemmy.world
      2624·
      15 days ago

      Is that why Biden had 14 million more votes?

      You lot (Americans) are fucking racist and hate women. Numbers back it up.

      Now we in the civilised world will have shitshow on news for years to come.

      • JoYoEnglish
        11·
        15 days ago

        the civilized world is shrinking

      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
        5·
        14 days ago

        I agree with you. Born and raised in Florida, moved to Tennessee. I was one of those who didn’t want Biden, but was afraid taking him out of the race would escalate sexist/racist voters to sway. I think we can clearly say it swayed about 10 million people who previously voted for Biden.

        Harris would have been a better president long term for this country, Biden got shit done (that was shit done in a good way). Now we are in the end of times. I’m no Democrat, but fuck did I hope they could pull off a win. 10m also is likely the number of people who will be murdered in Ukraine if all our support is pulled. Fortunately Putin and Trump don’t give 2 fucks about people, so they will work the long game and he will settle in first, and slowly pull away the blanket. And the dumbasses who voted for him will keep choking on the blanket trying to claim it isn’t true. Russia stepped back and settled in for the long war how long ago? The long game is for them now.

        Iran will keep kicking them everything they need, what they don’t have, China will. Flip side is Israel. If Trump doesn’t get his family’s waterside properties they scoped values on in Gaza a few years ago… Israel will be left to the wolves as well. And don’t worry, just like last time, Hitrump doesn’t dislike Jews, it’s just good for his business. And no business matters but his

      • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        565·
        15 days ago

        The only way to win was going full throttle progressive and saying fuck you to Israel. Such an anti establishment display would have rivalled people’s (idiotic) perception of Trump. But instead she spent the last 3 months courting Republicans. Losing strat from the get-go.

        • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          412·
          15 days ago

          Looking at exit polls, people were far more concerned with the economy than anything else. I don’t think Israel mattered much to average people. Biden/Harris got fucked with pandemic inflation and people are too dumb to realize it had nothing to do with them. And that will be further reinforced because inflation is under control now so Trump will look great having done nothing whatsoever.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            1610·
            15 days ago

            This was totally the fault of Democrats. They are the reason they lost. Blaming anyone else or acting like it was just a coincidence is nothing more than denying reality. Israel and the Cheney parade definitely played a role. The negative ads targeting progressives like Jill Stein played a role. Kamala hiding from progressive networks that would ask real questions played a role. The Democratic party has become nothing more than a dysfunctional corporate bureaucracy that thinks they can convince everyone that shit is gold.

            • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
              126·
              15 days ago

              All that sounds like your subjective view not based on data. Not saying the DNC is perfect by any means, but it’s clear the economy was by far the #1 issue in this election. I mentioned exit polls earlier, and also Trump was way up compared to 2020 even in extremely rural counties. Israel, Cheney, Stein, etc have nothing to do with that.

              • John Richard@lemmy.world
                37·
                15 days ago

                It isn’t subjective. Voters will tell you why they didn’t turn out or voted third party. The economy is important, but Harris turning to Mark Cuban to push establishment messaging wasn’t a good selling point either.

      • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        15 days ago

        exactly. I think whoever ended up as the D candidate was going to take the blame for the massive pandemic inflation. They were destined for failure from the beginning.

        • Nutteman@lemmy.world
          71·
          15 days ago

          I meant it more as neither Joe nor Kamala had it in em to rally a win because they kept pushing the wrong issues and disenfranchising voters.

        • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
          11·
          15 days ago

          They could have distanced themselves from the current administration though. They could have acknowledged that inflation has fucked most people, and be far more direct about addressing it than vague price gouging investigations that should be happening now. They could have come out in favor of any and every union striking. They could have had policies to guarantee profit sharing or granting equity. They could have made the totally empty promise of fighting for main street and not wall street.

    • paultimate14@lemmy.world
      187·
      15 days ago

      Bruh if you’re still giving a shit about what any pre-election polls were saying after they’ve repeatedly failed to predict so many elections I don’t know what to tell you.

      I said it before he stepped down- America is too misogynist and racist to vote in Harris. Even the economic left. Would Biden have done better? I can’t say. But I do think it’s pretty damning that Harris didn’t even win the popular vote like Biden and Hillary did.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
        4·
        15 days ago

        Polls are good for gauging general sentiment. If you’re expecting them to accurately predict results in the sort of tight races this US has then you’ll have a bad time.

    • Paddzr@lemmy.world
      101·
      15 days ago

      Trump got same amount of votes as last time, but Harris got 14m less. So congrats, Democrats have fucked themselves over, yet again! Or you hate women or you hate PoC.

      Sad truth. But numbers don’t lie.

      On one hand, I feel sorry for you Americans, but majority of you have chose this… What a joke.

    • BigBenis@lemmy.world
      131·
      15 days ago

      And yet despite all the warning signs his hubris disrupted the democratic process and progressives were once again told to fall in line and back a candidate who campaigned on appealing to the center-right.

      The Dems have let down the American people, again.

      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
        124·
        15 days ago

        I’m not really interested in making excuses for the 70+ million Americans that voted for a racist, sexist, felon fraud and rapist.

        • BigBenis@lemmy.world
          83·
          15 days ago

          You can certainly harbor contempt for the American people who choose such a morally bankrupt coalition while also recognizing that the oppositional movement has repetitively failed to inspire its own voter base to turn out.

          The fact remains that the Dems have thrice now run on a platform of unity and forsaken the will of the Left in an attempt to appeal to those who would happily annihilate the Left in pursuit of its own goals.

          • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            63·
            15 days ago

            If youre so fucking stupid as to not vote while a fascist is running then you deserve everything and more.

            People need to realize this isn’t fucking Christmas and you simply pick the least bad option or you end up here. At least those lazy fucks can feel smug while we’re all in the shit.

            Dumb fucks.

    • pyre@lemmy.world
      15·
      14 days ago

      apparently lots of people didn’t even realize biden dropped out until they saw the ballot. what the us needs is basic and free education.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
        7·
        14 days ago

        I was at a coffee place drive-through a couple of months ago and they always leave the window open there, so I heard them chatting inside and one of them was not even aware Biden was president. She literally said, “I thought Trump was the president.”

        • pyre@lemmy.world
          8·
          14 days ago

          there’s a certain kind of privilege in that. like, life must be so good for people to not even bother knowing who’s president.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
            4·
            14 days ago

            Did you ever read 1984? The proles don’t care because their lives have continued on as normal. It is definitely its own kind of privilege, but you’re also talking about someone who is making a tiny income working at a coffee shop. She’s poor and uneducated, which will continue to be to her benefit. I didn’t see her, but she’s probably white too since this is Indiana.

            She’s still a woman though.

      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        14 days ago

        Jesus Christ, seriously? The amount of political ads we were bombarded with for 6 months leading up to November, and people didn’t realize Biden wasn’t running?