Ukrainian military recruitment officers raided restaurants, bars and a concert hall in Kyiv, checking military registration documents and detaining men who were not in compliance, media and witnesses reported Saturday.
Officers descended on Kyiv’s Palace of Sports venue after a concert Friday night by Ukrainian rock band Okean Elzy. Video footage aired by local media outlets appears to show officers stationed outside the doors of the concert hall intercepting men as they exit. In the footage, officers appear to be forcibly detaining some men.
Checks were also conducted at Goodwine, an upscale shopping center, and Avalon, a popular restaurant.
It is unusual for such raids to take place in the capital, and reflects Ukraine’s dire need for fresh recruits. All Ukrainian men aged 25-60 are eligible for conscription, and men aged 18-60 are not allowed to leave the country.
I always wondered how you could go about this? Could you try to become a firefighter, medic or some other essential job to keep you safe?
I don’t know how it works in Ukraine today, but historically yes. You often don’t need to be underhanded about it either. In Britain during both world wars, as an example, conscientious objectors were actually organised into a non-combat corps that would take on important roles exactly like the ones you suggested.
Hey, there’s plenty well trained and professional soldiers in nato countries. Maybe leave those poor teens aline and send the guys who wanted to do this.
Just that Ukraine isn’t a NATO member so there’s no way to trigger article 5
And believe it or not, not many people want to fight in Ukraine, and not many countries want to send their people to fight there
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False equivalence.
A fight for a countries survival is not the same as slavery because they’re enforcing a draft, even as terrible as the draft may be.
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Soldiers, conscripted or volunteer, aren’t owned as property though. Although I’m sure we’ll have ‘discourse’ about that. They aren’t bought, sold, or traded for goods and services.
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Sorry but if your country is literally being invaded by hostile forces and your own country’s government didn’t commit some heinous act to invite said invasion (genocide, or retribution for their own invasion), you are a hopeless coward trying to dodge that draft. We’re not talking about fucking Vietnam.
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Dunno how the situation is in Ukraine but in Germany it’s actually stricter for women: Men can refuse service at arms, while women can’t refuse medical service.
In any case not getting drafted usually is as simple as finding something else to do that’s helping the war effort. Hold the home front.
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Yes, I do. If they’re not or can’t volunteer to be part of the military there are other ways they can contribute to national defense. See: WW2
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Why? Why would I die for a piece of land, I don’t give a shit where I was born I value my life more than that, I’m not dying for some politician ego trip. You can go right ahead of you want
Why would I die for a piece of land,
Ukraine doesn’t fight for land, they fight to not get genocided. It’s the Russian side which has the politician on an ego trip.
And you, out of your comfortable armchair, cannot predict how you’d react in the same situation. There’s instinctive forces at play in such situations.
It’s amazing we’re paying for this instead of healthcare. I totally love emy tax dollars forcing people to kill or be tortured by their own country.
You’re not paying for it instead of healthcare. The US federal government already spends twice what comparable countries do per person on healthcare. The problem is not Ukraine.
instead of healthcare
Where in the world are you? In my part my tax money goes far enough to pay for both. And free university studies so that no one has to take loans.
Does your country have national debt, or is it affording to pay for all those things while keeping balance?
Yeah, I’ll bet you don’t have the debt we created to pay for our military industrial complex and further enrich our oligarchs
As others have said, every time this gets brought up, the counterpoint is that we already pay more for healthcare than other countries, and there is 0 response.
At some point it’s just old man yells at cloud.
You do know both can be done, yes? Universal healthcare and aiding Ukraine to stop Russian expansionism are possible.
As almost every other country in the world proves.
Countries like Burkina Faso have universal healthcare ffs.
People like the one I replied to apparently don’t understand basic concepts like raising tax revenue.
The U.S. could afford Medicare for All and fund Ukraine right now with some budget adjustments. The U.S. could afford a massive social safety net the likes of which the architects of the New Deal could only dream of if we just raised taxes on the wealthy.
Medicare for all would cost America less than the current system, freeing up funds that could be used for other things such as Ukraine aid
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