Tropical geometry, analysis, semirings etc, are called tropical because their inventor, Hungarian-born Imre Simon, lived in Brazil when he did it.

there are radical-ecologists that

…are way too small in number and connections and frankly energy to pull off a covert stunt like that. This isn’t like getting a bunch of people to live in treetops to make it complicated for the forest to give way to a chemical plant.

Sure there’s folks with ideas like that but as all other urban guerillas it’s doomed to fail. Embarrassingly so. The type of people willing to do these kinds of things aren’t the kind of people who’d agree with anyone on anything much less trust another affinity group to not be moles. The higher the stakes you insist on the more isolated you are the less you can coordinate.

If this was a chain of attacks over a longer time-span, sure, then one group could have inspired another, but everything coordinated? Forget it.

It may have been some sort of “style” but it was what they were putting on the spit to cut from and being sold as “döner” on the menu.

Then you should have contacted the authorities. Also shops using cheap meat don’t do their own skewers they buy them frozen – you can also get good meat in frozen form, but if a shop makes their own skewer they’re not going to use shoddy ingredients that makes no economical sense at all.

Actually the pizza definitions do specify the thickness of the crust

Sensibly so, there’s pizza styles with much thicker crusts than Neapolitana (also Italian ones). Not sure that’s necessary for Döner simply because noone is cutting the meat off in slabs. 2mm minimum btw sounds rather thick. 5mm are definitely too thick. Heck that’s an acceptable lower range for Wienerschnitzel. The maximum makes sense, a minimum not really.

And, as said: If they want to register Bursa Döner to be like that, a specific type of meat without spices and cut in rather thick slices, they’re free to (though regulating the length of the blade is still BS). But why shouldn’t there be other Döner beside that.

Meat in bread indeed is not the German part, for a German Döner veggies and sauce aren’t optional, even when served on a plate. Default is Tsatsiki – not even Cacik, but the Greek stuff, without mint, dill, or extra water. Cucumber, tomato, onions, and some sort of cabbage as veggies, as well as the option of with Scharf, implemented via (usually pickled) Jalapenos and/or Sambal Oelek. There’s various things to the whole thing you see in neither German or Turkish cuisine, it is true fusion food, wouldn’t be possible without the different cuisines meeting.

As for the word, no, this is like the Italians trying to regulate what “Pizza” means instead of, rightly, regulating what “Pizza Neapolitana” means. If Swedes want to put pineapple in their Döner then Germans are going to join in with Turks calling it a crime against food but we’re also not going to stop them.

I’ve heard all kinds of crazy stuff from outside Germany, like using ketchup or mayonnaise, can’t even decide which is worse they’re both atrocious choices. There’s exactly one valid reason why you would use a sauce that’s not yoghurt-based, and that’s because you’re making a vegan variant – which would then imitate a yoghurt-based sauce (Vegan is not at all common but veggie options aren’t rare, usually replacing meat with falafel otherwise the same concept).

Then you saw something, but definitely not Döner.

I’ll grant that it’s easier to hide shoddy meat if use lots of spices and sell it mixed with veggies compared to serving it on a plate with rice but that doesn’t mean that you can sell just anything as Döner in Germany. The same overall dish concept with stuff shaved from a ground meat skewer isn’t nearly as nice, but it’s still better than McDonalds so it has its place on the market… as “Ground meat skewer pocket Döner-style”, not “Döner”. And the Turkish initiative would change nothing about that.

Side note there’s a lot of things to look out for when it comes to the quality of a German Döner, how the meat is cut from the skewer is not one of them. It literally makes no difference, yet the initiative wants to regulate the bloody length of the bloody blade. It’s pointlessly over-restrictive. Pizza Neapolitana also regulates a lot of things but not the size of the pizza shovel – as long as it fits into the oven and it’s a comfortable size for the cook to handle, who cares? It also doesn’t try to define “Pizza”, only “Pizza Neapolitana”, and if the initiative was restricting itself to the term “Bursa Döner” or something noone would mind.

Section 2.511.7, page 65 in the pdf. 18% skin max and no ground meat at all in the case of poultry Döner. If you saw more you either a) didn’t see a Döner but a Drehspieß or b) should’ve contacted authorities.

Birds have skin what do you suppose we do with it, throw it away?

Coming from a completely legal tradition: Jury trials are scary. Jurors can’t be nailed to the cross for perversion of justice, there’s no accountability. Also any more serious cases are not tried by judges, but panels of judges, often including lay judges.

The inside of your mouth is on the outside of your body and so is the rest of your digestive tract, safely (well) isolated (unless it’s permeable) from your bloodstream. As a first approximation, our bodies are toruses. Just licking something is really not much more intimate than touching something unless it’s sugar which can be taken up right there on the spot. (At least glucose can and there’s enzymes in salvia don’t ask me for details).

All that said the Romans used lead(II) acetate as a sweetener and while definitely a bad idea, they didn’t all immediately keel over either. You’ll almost certainly be fine.

Pure water OTOH… you’ll burn your mouth because osmotic pressure tearing cell walls apart before the stuff dilutes to have a sensible amount of minerals in it. The tissue there is used to sudden violent cell death and heals quickly so no biggie, if you survived a too hot pizza you’ll survive water. Also, do eat that pizza to have enough minerals to replenish everything.

Counsel concedes that the statement may have been humorously threatening. That, however, does not affect the issue of said action not constituting any form of tort that could be reasonably considered a restriction of rights opposing counsel’s client may hold.

Promising to “find someone” is not a threat much less a restriction of rights. Maybe OP is compiling a list of locked-down devices to avoid, that’s perfectly in their rights, and it’s also in their rights to inform people of such an endeavour.

Drop shipping doesn’t have some factory stock being good and some factory stock being bad.

White label producers also have range of options, often including quality. They’re usually going to be the same case because changing that would need new molds and molds are expensive but you can cheap out a lot when buying electronic components and probably don’t even have to re-program the pick+place machine, just throw in a reel of say bargain-bin reject flash chips in the machine instead of the good stuff.

And, of course, the cheap options might actually be the better one. It’s literally impossible to tell, as a consumer.

When it comes to Chinese products my advise to avoid all white-label stuff.

6 for 75ct. Eurocent, so in USD it’s a whopping 81ct. Tax inclusive. Available in both scratchy and gentle.

If supermarkets get away with charging those kinds of prices there’s two things to do: a) Raid each and every HQ to see whether you can nail them for collusion, b) price controls.

Here’s an exhaustive overview of the case so far with tons of links.

The courts words are, paraphrasing the gist, “Germany has export controls in place sufficient to avoid what Nicaragua accused it of, there are no signs that it’s not actually sticking to them, as such we don’t see any need to order Germany to do anything”.

It would’ve been all over the news and there would’ve been blood on the streets. Or at least tear gas.

Besides, the majority of döner sold in Europe is just congealed meat.

Very much not the case in Germany. I’m not sure the German requirements are even that dissimilar to what Turkey came up with… which shouldn’t be surprising, they’re practically written by Turks in the sense that “this is what this thing means” in German food law is always based on “this is what good and proper cooks preparing it agree on”, and when the guidelines were set those all happened to have been Turkish immigrants.

Not to mention that the industry association complaining are precisely those Turkish immigrants.

Where’s your source on that?

The ICJ, for one.

Here’s mine from yesterday, claiming literally the opposite.

Not ruling something out and doing something are completely different things. For more, see my reply to the sibling comment.

As I said: No official policy change. Not ruling something out is not the same as actually doing it.

Germany stopped weapons exports before Nicaragua brought its case to the ICJ, the last salient shipment were 2000 PzF a week or two after the attacks. You need to read between the lines here, Germany neither wants to be complicit nor give more moderate Israelis – like, say, Gantz, I can’t believe I’m calling him moderate – the impression that it has abandoned Israel.

Scholz was pressured for a statement and, with his absolutely stellar skill in waffling, said nothing of any consequence. Are we, in the future, going to ship weapons to Israel? I think so, and I don’t think Scholz lied when he said exactly that. But doing that before Netanyahu and his goons are ousted? I’d be surprised, at least half the republic would be up in arms, the coalition would likely break apart, it’s the kind of thing that can easily bring down a government. And for what, just to have courts double-check the permits and decide that they can’t be issued legally? Nah. Even if they wanted to, they wouldn’t try.

Germany stopped weapons exports to Israel. No official policy change they’re keeping it quiet but the federal government isn’t issuing any export permissions any more.

There’s a video you can watch of her being arrested for not doing anything but holding a sign.

Here’s the video. That is very much not what’s happening.

She claims that “she’s not at a protest so it can’t be an illegal one”, meanwhile, back at the taz, she says it was a protest (“Kundgebung”). It might be an odd interaction but then you can also try and politicise the hell out of a cop tangling you up in a discussion and asking your for ID – which btw they can do without any reason at all. The whole thing was over in 30 minutes, no arrest (in the legal sense). Berlin police at that time was very much on edge as in previous years they had to deal with massive violence during the Nakhba protests. There were permitted demonstrations, she could’ve gone to those. You can then also say “but she’s a Jew who’s holding that sign getting tangled up in a discussion with a cop, this is triply outrageous!” – why should there be different laws for Jews and Muslims? It’s all applied equally. That not being the case would be triply outrageous.

I assume the rest of your wall of text is in just as good faith so I won’t bother.

How do you know explain them arresting pro-Palestenian voices then during peaceful protests?

German-Israeli activist Iris Hefets was arrested for the first time in Berlin just a few weeks after the start of Israel’s war on Gaza last October – for holding a sign which read, “As a Jew and Israeli, stop the genocide in Gaza”.

That is 150% not what he was arrested for. It may very well be the sign he held while being arrested, but one does not imply the other. Never fucking trust Al Jazeera on these things they’re far from neutral or factual.

This matches up with the research I’ve done that Germany is sending arms to Israel.

99% of arms imports for Israel between 2019 and 2023

Germany stopped arms exports days after the attacks. Before Nicaragua started its case at the ICJ, btw.

“We have not decided not to supply weapons. So we will (deliver) and we have (delivered to Israel),” the German leader added.

Will, when? Have, when? Certainly none since the 2000 PzF shortly after the attacks (anti-tank rockets, not really suitable for a genocide), I’d have heard of that. And when again? Presumably once the Israelis got around ousting Netanyahu and his goons. Scholz is very good at waffling and saying nothing, doubly and triply so when pressed, that’s precisely what he’s doing there. No official change in policy – but somehow still nothing gets exported.

Not to mention other support they’ve shown, like withdrawing funding from the UNRWA which has contributed to the increasing famine and 200,000 deaths right there.

It has not. Germany has resumed its responsibilities to UNRWA after Israel’s accusations turned out to be baseless, and no payments from Germany to UNWRA were due during the brief time payments were suspended – so none were missed. If there had been missed payments I’m sure Germany would’ve made up for it.

You should know all of that if you had read even a bit of the ICJ ruling. Which you probably should do before you accuse a country of supporting genocide.