• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Russell Brand definitely raped those women. He went from leftist agnostic fight the power guy, to right wing grifter christian anti vax nutter basically overnight. Homie straight up sexually assaulted all of those women. I fucking hate rapists and their control fetish, man. Whether or not you ever found Brand’s comedy actually funny back in the day (I got a kick out of him on 1 Leicester Square), you can’t deny he really could have had any woman he wanted. Fucking makes me cringe that I ever found him funny.

    • I really don’t get it, like, I thought the reason we were all annoying atheists because of a sense of love for humanity, equality, etc. and seeing that Christianity was the most powerful force for regression and subjugation for the last 1500 years or so.

      Like, how did we go from atheism to “protecting western civilization”? What is western civilization if not the societies produced by hegemonic Christianity? My atheism is a big part of what drew me to oppose the values of western civilization. And I really thought we were all on the same page on that.

      And I guess I wasn’t entirely wrong, as it seems like Russel Brand went the other way around and became a Christian to keep supporting western ideals.

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        This breed of atheism is all about opposing the values of religion that are humane, harmonizing, and fundamentally good. The sense of community and goodwill for others is a tenet of many religions that still hasn’t been completely annihiliated and at least bregudgingly accepted by the most reactionary.

        These atheists, in contrast, and ironically enough in the words of steve harvey, truly have zero moral compass that binds them to any sort of pesky virtues that would have them accept others.

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        Yeah I mean at that point Christianity was all about bombing people and hating LGBT people and those were big factors for me in rejecting it but it turns out there were also people who rejected it for some other reason and then realized that they’d accidentally undermined their justifications for bombing people and hating LGBT people and had to scramble to come up with new ones.

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        The new atheist movement was for neocons who didn’t care to do the Jesus stuff but still wanted in on being racist to Middle Eastern people

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          there’s that, but also I think for some of them being a new atheist libertarian was a way to be conservative while separating themselves from the unfun aspects of religious conservative ideology (but specifically the anti-drug and anti sex before marriage parts)

          but now they’re old, their days of partying and chasing girls are behind them and they’ve either settled down with a partner or accepted being foreveralone, so they no longer need the veneer of being a fun dudebro, and even if on the inside they don’t really believe in religion, they realize that it supports their interests with regard to upholding social hierarchies, so they turn back to it

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        I really don’t get it, like, I thought the reason we were all annoying atheists because of a sense of love for humanity, equality, etc. and seeing that Christianity was the most powerful force for regression and subjugation for the last 1500 years or so.

        I believed that too, until Elevatorgate and the “Dear Muslima” letter from Dawkins showed me otherwise.

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        I really don’t get it, like, I thought the reason we were all annoying atheists because of a sense of love for humanity, equality, etc.

        That was what I thought too, and was the reason I moved away from nu atheist stuff

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        Christianity was the most powerful force for regression and subjugation for the last 1500 years or so.

        Turns out it wasn’t Christianity, just aristocracy.

        Russel Brand went the other way around and became a Christian to keep supporting western ideals.

        He was always a mediocre entertainer. First he rejected Christianity as part of his dog-and-pony show. Now he’s come around, because the original bit couldn’t pull the same audience. But its always just been a performance. The only thing he cares about as the attention (and the money it generates).

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      The holdouts that still claim to be atheists but “culturally Christian” are the worst.

      Well, maybe the worst are the “TradCath means Warhammer 40k LARPing” converts.

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        Reminds me of Christopher Hitchens. A man who made a living on the talk show circuit by tweaking people’s noses and saying “Are you mad? Are you mad, yet?”

        All fun and games when the people getting tweaked were self-important holy rollers. But as soon as he saw a payday in pissing on anti-war protesters by calling them Islamists, the man was urinating like a fucking fire hose.

        Dawkins is just a lower-rent Hitchens.

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          I really disagree. The guy was argumentative for the sake of it, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he was ungenuine or just chasing a pay day.

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            I don’t think it’s fair to say he was ungenuine or just chasing a pay day.

            He did a good job of delivery early on. But once he started defending George Bush Jr - a man who stacked his career on phony religious pandering - the mask dropped like a rock. No one who goes this hard for an American Christian Conservative can possibly hold the views he claimed a decade earlier.

            Maybe he changed over time. Or maybe Rupert Murdoch found the price for his soul. But the guy sold out hard all through the '00s.

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      I tried to steer it in to a militant occult organization but, obvious, i got distracted yelling at the memes guy about Islamic history and forgot to train my godslaying army.

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      They were anti religious without being anti capitalist. So they were farcical Voltaire esque liberals at best

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    “‘And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.“

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      “‘And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.“

      And then the Catholic church decided the best way to interpret that and other Jesus teachings was big garish cathedrals and lots of pompous ceremonies.

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        Tbf I think, at the very least theoretically, there is a difference between earnestly celebrating a mass with other believers and social media influencers doing whatever this is at a January 6th event or whatever for millions of views.

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      Somehow that one has never made an impact on anyone, ever, except weirdly enough Prince who is semi-famous for doing concerts in places that were having a bad time so he could have an excuse to be in the area to quietly do good work because idk Prince?

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      It’s his new grift since 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓐𝓵𝓵𝓮𝓰𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷𝓼 came out last year. Now every public appearance is some kind of Born Again Christian ritual because everyone knows you can’t be a paedophile and religious.