• HubertManne@kbin.social
    19·
    11 months ago

    You know. I would try to fight this as a statement if we did not put in our constitution that slavery is fine for prisoners.

    • Cylusthevirus@kbin.social
      4413·
      11 months ago

      This could apply to any number of countries and it’s getting kinda tedious. It’s like a bunch of American teenagers just learned that their history books aren’t telling the whole story and literally cannot stop talking about it. You hit college level history, congratulations, good for you champ.

          • PvtGetSum@lemm.ee
            172·
            11 months ago

            Not only is that statement extremely hyperbolic, it’s deeply offensive to victims of the Nazis

              • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
                71·
                11 months ago

                I really cant be bothered citing more

                You haven’t cited anything. You’ve made reference to them at best. Saying a thing is not citing it.

                Sanctions in general impoverish and kill many. They are a type of light economic mass murder.

                So then things like Russia sanctions are bad too? If so what do you suggest as an alternative? If not when do you draw the line?

                I think what we actively do and did, is MUCH WORSE.

                You made that clear, but you didn’t really express how. Have we been responsible for more death? More negative impact to lives? If that, how is it measured? Does it make a difference how much time it has been going on? If we’ve killed less per year is that better?

                If one guy kills your family in front of you, but the other pokes you with a needle every day of your life, who do you have stronger feelings about? Who is the bigger villain?

                Yes, America has a history of being terrible, and it doesn’t look like it’s stopping any time soon, but it’s just the most obvious, current bad guy. That doesn’t make it the biggest in history or now. That doesn’t excuse current practices, but it also doesn’t mean hyperbole (real or perceived) is going to help you.

    • Gbagginsthe3rd@aussie.zone
      263·
      11 months ago

      Well yeah… in lots of ways.

      Good in others, as an Australian who traveled there the average American is great. I just think you’ve been intentionally fragmented and manipulated. So there are large groups of people who want their country to change but cannot seem to find common ground and band together to strengthen those ideas.

      Then you have such powerfully rich and crazy groups that seem to be able to rule the narrative

      • thoro
        51·
        11 months ago

        I had to check too cause “americabadamirite” complaints are basically peak Reddit since the Digg migration and shortly after.

        Before then, I feel like I remember it being a lot less defensive about people daring to…criticize America

    • DrMux@kbin.social
      2116·
      11 months ago

      There’s a huge difference between “lol le dum fat burger chez merica” and commentary about the history of the country and the patterns, systems, and dark truths that made it what it is today. Is there any one element in this meme that you’d argue is false?

      • Shit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        45·
        11 months ago

        War we are pretty bad at it. Like the last time we actually tried we nuked Japan twice. We couldn’t even take over Vietnam since Nixon had a hardon for mao and didn’t want to make him angry. Or that time the un told us not to make an irradiated cobalt dmz in Korea so we ended up with whatever the fuck is going on now.

        We are also pretty bad capitalists, unless chronyism is capitalism?

        We are also pretty bad at genocides unless we are dragging up stuff from over 100 years ago?

        • socsaEnglish
          52·
          11 months ago

          Also, we learned about the genocide of the natives in high school, and this topic is written about extensively by American academics, and I can order books about it freely. Meanwhile, the world’s autocrats build entire generations around denying fundamental history until they’ve twisted themselves in such circles that they need to censore entire portions of the internet to keep up the charade.

        • thoroEnglish
          31·
          11 months ago

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          • Shit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            13·
            11 months ago

            Iraq and Afghanistan… first gulf war Iraq fucked around and found out… Second time the USA got angry and then kind of forgot what was going on for a decade. We are pretty bad at the occupy and imperialism thing.

            Afghanistan was dumb the USA could of genocided the people but spent trillions trying to spread liberal democratic ideas to people who didn’t care. I guess that’s imperialism?

            Real imperialists would still be occupying them and purged the population not wasted trillions of dollars to try to make them more liberal then left…

    • Riddick3001@lemmy.worldEnglish
      27·
      11 months ago

      To me this meme comes across as fascist , rascist and prejudiced.

      You have become 200%, what you supposedly hate so much.

      " Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."

        • DeanFogg@lemm.ee
          3·
          11 months ago

          No he’s saying making a captain planet meme about a country being shitty makes you a fascist. Because that makes sense

          • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org
            41·
            11 months ago

            But don’t you see, if you complain about a right wing police state that has the highest prison population per capita on the planet and dominates half the planet with its overwhelming militarism, you’re the real fascist.

            Fascism is when conservatives are made uncomfortable about ugly statistics, btw

              • DeanFogg@lemm.ee
                11·
                11 months ago

                Well let’s tie onto the “America isn’t that much of a police state” argument so we can one day get to mega shithole levels of police state

        • WilliamTheWicked@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          No, no… Wait… He has a point.

          Little did I know that ripping a bong hit was the same as staring into the abyss. The fascism of it all… I’ve been such a fool.

        • Riddick3001@lemmy.world
          1·
          11 months ago

          Lol what? You talking about the bong video you’re replying

          Of course not. That’s just actually a funny bong video. Lol. I reacted to the meme

  • GrandFunkMonorail
    64·
    11 months ago

    The US has capitalism? Seems pretty regulated by people bought by corporations to me.

    • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
      123·
      11 months ago

      That’s…capitalism. In a profit-seeking society, there’s no greater profit than taking control of the society’s government. There’s no such thing as “crony capitalism” if that is what you are referring to. It’s all a part of the game. Any sufficiently powerful company will eventually attempt to manipulate the law and regulations for their own gain.

      The Soviet Union is basically what it would look like if a single corporation managed to completely take over society and push out all competition. That’s why some people argue that it was a type of society known as “state capitalist”, instead of communist, since they never actually did away with money, class, or hierarchy.

      Another good example would be “Buy-N-Large” from the movie “Wall-E”, although from reading the backstory on them, it seems like a more benevolent entity than we would expect from such a monopoly. Faced with declining profits from a failing economy and environment due to their grip on it, they implemented a system of universal income so that they could continue to have customers. They slowly became the world government and effectively operated as one.

      • Shit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        127·
        11 months ago

        Authoritarianism leftists are tankies. To be fair they are pretty much the same as authoritarianism rightists. They both want to abolish liberalism before they duke it out over economic models.

          • Shit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            42·
            11 months ago

            ? Liberalism is an updown issue not a left right issue? You can be economically right and be a liberal…

              • Shit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                21·
                11 months ago

                I think you captured what I was saying pretty well. On a 4 axis model up is totalitarian, down is anarchism, left is economic left and right is economic right. And I agree it’s over simplified still but I hate looking at the world as just left and right since it leads to the big bad.

  • Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com
    1312·
    11 months ago

    Obviously those things (except capitalism and some wars) are bad, but literally every country has a history of essentially the same thing.

    • NightAuthor@beehaw.org
      11·
      11 months ago

      Late stage capitalism is bad, we don’t have a better system really, so on that issue, I say we just reset the whole thing. Capitalism reboot.