Why would I buy a digital only console for 700 usd? My pc is digital only. The only reason I even buy consoles is physical games, but Sony wants to stop giving that option.
No problem, you can put a disc drive in it for a mere $80 more!
Which will require an internet connection. Yeah, no thanks.
Oh yeah, for a first time set-up, huh? Forgot they did that BS with the slim.
So they got cheaper then? They way I’ve always heard it is that you could always build a PC with better specs for the same price.
Paying $700 for a locked system is crazy.
Yeah that runs a modified version of freebsd then sony locks and closed source it And if you want to play online you need to pay
You sure? Last I remember the “crazy” quota was paying $999 for a monitor holder branded by a fruit (a bitten fruit, not even a whole one).
Joke aside, the most amusing thing, is that you have to pay $700 for a device attached to your TV, then if you want to check a website you have to resort on your smartphone or whatever shitty browser is integrated in your “smart” TV… because PS5 don’t have web browser support!
Weird comparison.
I already own a computer to do daily work in other areas of my life. Why not add the extra $700 to my PC budget and access 35+ years of gaming history, vs. paying $700 to access ~700 games that I can’t play when the next hardware iteration drops?
because PS5 don’t have web browser support!
That one’s pretty easy though. Browsers are a HUGE attack surface for jailbreaking. It’ll happen eventually anyway, but I can’t say that I’m surprised
That’s not how the enforce security works. You’re either capable to secure the device without removing basic functionality, or don’t.
Xbox has a browser, as any iphone/ipad out of there. If the only way for Sony to keep security is cripple functionality; it doesn’t mark their device as valuable at all
(additionally, with proper web browser support you can play web videogames without have to pay Sony: would you say this also apply to Sony’s choice to remove web browser?)
Just install Linux
Modern consoles with digital games already blur the lines on console generations, but like, very few games are even using the PS5 to max.
PC you can decide your own “generation”, and if you upgrade your PC, you don’t have to buy remakes, you just turn the settings up.
Between that and locking yourself to one entity to buy games from, there’s a lot of downsides to consoles and not many upsides left.
I was always a fan of consoles, everything is packaged nicely and you only had to worry about buying the game itself.
Eventually I ran into the problem where Sony prevented me from starting a DLC I bought and downloaded simply because the base game is validated for a different region. Umm I’m sorry I live in a different country now?? Couldn’t get their AI chatbot to help with refunds either (but honestly shouldn’t they prevent purchasing in the first place…)
Bit the bullet and built a PC instead. Fuck Sony.
very few games are even using the PS5 to max
That’s because they don’t allow you to. Not because they can’t.
Sony wont allow it? I just thought the selection was shit
Iirc it was like that since PS3 era no? That additional 256MB DRAM and CELL Processor that only worked fine for first-party/exclusive optimized games
But friendly reminder: games are almost always cheaper on PC. Maybe not at first, but very quickly.
And you don’t pay a monthly fee. Which i only found out a few month ago. Like what the actual fuck
Yes no monthly fee just to play multiplayer, that one really saves a lot of money.
My kids got a hand-me-down PS4, and I found out that we had to pay a connection fee to play online on top of my existing ISP internet fee. I had a what-the-actual-fuck moment. You’re forced into the walled garden of the console maker’s store and forced to pay more to play with friends? I built them both PCs and they’ve never really looked back.
I’ve never been a console fan simply for the proprietary nature of the devices along with the walled garden concept (and fuck controllers lol, I’m too used to mouse and keyboard) , but it really cemented my further rejection of the systems when it became apparent that online play was extra $.
What’s pathetic is they often don’t even provide dedicated servers for the price.
Yes, it’s very clearly done only because Microsoft got away with it with the 360, so everyone else followed suit to fleece their customers.
Certain games feel better with controllers. So I got myself a cheap 3rd party controller, that has been working solid for 5+ years. Don’t need to support the big console companies.
Hardware isn’t a big profit driver for basically anyone usually so you dont have to feel bad if you pick up a ps5 or Xbox controller for PC.
No hate for third party but just so people know. 🤷♂️
My first xbox controller fell apart after 2 years, and was more expensive. I just don’t see a point in paying huge mark ups for a controller.
If you use the subscription for like a single console generation, you find out most of the cost of the console was hidden in the find print via those installment payments. At least with the PS5Pro, thanks to the really high console price and relatively short time til the PS6, the cost of the subscription isn’t that much if you intend to upgrade to the PS6 immediately. But if you got the original 5 and planned to keep it until the 6, then you might be spending more on your PS5 basic-tier subscription than the MSRP of the PS5Pro (and double if you used premium the whole time).
So, did you find out that PC gaming doesn’t require a fee, or did you find out that console gaming requires a fee? I’m guessing the latter.
It doesn’t really matter as a PC does so much more than play games. It’s like arguing that a Nintendo Switch is cheaper than an a flagship smartphone. Ok, have fun trying to file your taxes, run blender, write code, browse the web, or backup media on your playstation.
Unrelated but this is totally possible on a PS4…
…after jailbreaking it and booting into Linux.
Which makes me even more mad at Sony removing OtherOS, but oh well.
on your playstation
PS3linux.net be like
Also, uh… 🏴☠️
I guess if you don’t want to support the company/devs. I did pirate call of duty cold war, cause they don’t sell single player separate, and i didn’t didn’t want to spend $90 CAD.
More importantly, PC has significantly more and better exclusives. Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Ostranauts, and Squad off the top of my head that I’ve been playing lately. There are so many incredible games, frequently that are $20-40, that will never be on a console. They’re never advertised as “PC exclusives” because there’s no marketing budget to push that stupid concept, but they are. People always talk about which console to buy because they have better exclusives, but any reasonable person would choose a PC if they cared about that.
Yes – and just to add, many of the console AAA exclusives aren’t “exclusive” at all, because a significant number end up on PC anyway. They’re only exclusives if you’re in the PS/XB bubble. (Switch is a standout because Nintendo)
Switch is only exclusive from PC if you care about legality. The Switch emulators are quite good.
Emulation is legal, but the ways most people obtain ROMs of games usually aren’t.
Nintendo confirmed that with me via an email!
It’s also generally legal if you own the games on the console or physically and can dump them yourself (with the MIG dumper hardware). Of course though you don’t actually have to do that, you can but you don’t have to.
Some sites like Fanatical even have sales and discounts on pre-orders or recent releases. It’s nuts.
They can be at first too, all you need are some bandanas and a fake parrot (some people may tell you this is not necessary, those are just typical Internet lies).
I really like my PC, but it is the absolute worst, that you cannot buy disc versions for PC anymore, like for consoles.
If you are willing to, you can sell some discs for the same amount you spent before. Especially price stable games like Fromsoft titles.
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This is a good point, but I think in 5 years, it won’t be a thing on consoles either. The ability to resell implies ownership.
Maybe I’m too Canadian to understand but where on earth are you able to build a decent gaming PC able to play the latest AAA games on high graphics for $700?
No really, please tell me. I want to upgrade my PC.
Edit: For everyone trying to explain it to me.
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There’s more to a PC than a CPU and GPU. Those of you giving me only those 2 that make up more than half of the $700 are kind of reinforcing my point.
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The key thing here is running AAA games on high settings using this budget. You can’t really do that.
You won’t be able to do ultra, but you can do high at 1080p30fps in most every modern game pretty easily for that price. 1080p 60fps for a solid chunk of them too.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MzFVh3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6coMhaOw0Q
Your point still stands though; you’re still better off spending 1000$ so that you don’t end up shooting yourself in the foot with regards to upgradeability, which is one of the big reasons people want a PC in the first place.
That’s still better than consoles can run most native games too lul. People always use the argument that consoles ‘just work’ at max graphics as a selling point when it’s rarely the case. Almost every new game has issues on release that need to be fixed and even after some never run at max.
I think this article is sensationalizing the situation a bit. It could be $700 (if you already have a case, hdds, psu, and cooling on hand.)
But really comes down to your desired resolution and frame rate. I know plenty of people who are fine with 1080p and 60fps.
1440, 2160 120 is another story. The higher end gpu would likely require a slightly higher tier PSU and more efficient cooling which could add a few bucks to the GPU and CPU investment.
I recommend checking out PC part picker to see what your ideal components would shake out to.
I mean you can build a 2k gaming PC for under $700. I think the only games on PS5 that’ll be running at 120fps will be the anything shooters that’ll run at 250fps on a toaster.
Random “$700 PCPP” search. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8PmJZJ
It’s something. B450M is about as low as you can go, and not sure i’d go with ddr4 or WD green for storage, but it would definitely be a PC.
PS5 Pro is going for 800 EUR so I’ve picked these parts: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BnpTsh, and it’s almost spot on how much it costs after converting it into USD. (800 EUR = 881.83 USD)
Its an an old link that poped up. As long as it has access to all channels boards aren’t a big deal in the equation. Storage is cheap and any usuable 1tb will do.
but we’re talking comparable to ps5 pro
We’ll have it see it in action to really compare. This computer will demolish existing consoles, playing most games at 1440p above 90FPS. Games that on the PS4 or Xbox are limited to 60 or even 30. The question really is, how many games will even let you run them higher than 60FPS on the pro? On the PS5 it was supposed to be “many”
But it is not many.
The PS5 Pro is a decent value compared to a PC. It’s just not an amazing value like the original PS5 was in 2020.
Take PCPP’s Entry Level AMD Gaming Build. Upgrade it to a 2TB NVME and a RX 6800 GPU. That’s $830. https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/NtFfrH/entry-level-amd-gaming-build
That’s pretty similar specs to the PS5 Pro (with a better Zen 3 CPU, but minus a gamepad).
(if you already have a case, hdds, psu, and cooling on hand.)
You can also get all of those except the hdds for quite literally 0 dollars, although depending on electricity prices and what upgrading you want to do it might be better long term to spend on the psu.
care to share your source for free PC parts?
Facebook market place unfortunately. Or just walking around on garbage day.
Here’s a case + 500w psu I picked up the other day:
“we have ps5 pro at home”
- ps5 pro at home.
You could probably build something decent for CAD$1000. Canada computers often have massive discounts on a lot of items. US$700 to CAD$1000 is not that far apart. The console would probably still be more performant but the point is, the prices are not that far apart anymore.
With exchange it’s closer to $950 cad, best bang for your buck is probably used. Quick glance at kijiji and I saw some 3070tis for sub $400, heck if you’re fine with slightly older hardware just saw a ryzen 3700x + 2070 super, ram, full system honestly for $650 cad. You’ll probably get quite a bit of mileage out of that CPU, I ran with a 3rd gen i5 for nearly a decade
the PS5 pro uses 60 CU rdna 4, so if you want to match that, buy the supposedly rumored 8800XT that amd is trying to pump more of as they forgoe top end end generation supposedly (basically similar to the RX 480 and RX 5700xt generations)
keep in mind, console and pc sales and cost differ because of where they focus on making money. Sony for example makes money off accessory sales (the ps5 pro is disk driveless and no vertical stand) ontop of never adressing the rampant stick drift problem the dualsense has, ontop of paid online, none of which is any signicant factor on PC, which generally speaking is more front loaded cost heavy but overtime has lower cost in games, services and such.
There’s more to a PC than a CPU and GPU. Those of you giving me only those 2 that make up more than half of the $700 are kind of reinforcing my point.
Yes, but they do tend to cost the most.
RX 6600 with a Ryzen 5 5500 should get you close enough with FSR.
Assume someone is already going to buy a Chromebook for $200-300. Why not spend $900-1000 on a nicer laptop or desktop and need a console at all?
And if you’re a certain age, why invest in an ecosystem that will die with the next hardware iteration, when you’ve seen it happen over and over? I bought a cartridge of Super Mario Bros 3 in 1993 with my birthday money. Why should I have to buy it again, ever, if I still own the cart? Why not invest in an ecosystem that’s by and large always backwards compatible?
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A gaming GPU has cost as much as a console for a while now.
No one forces you to spend a thousand dollars on a 4090. An RTX 3060 will outperform a PS5 by a big margin, and for under 200 bucks
Where you finding 4090s for a grand? Twice that and then some here.
Where I live, the cheapest 3060 is 260€ (including 19% tax). A 4090 is almost two grand. That’s the equivalent of two of the upcoming PS5 Pros with a couple of games.
Man, 4070ti (a midrange card) is almost a thousand. 4090 is two thousand
Apologies in advance, but you have got to be bloody insane to think the 4070ti is a midrange card.
It certainly doesn’t outperform 80 and 90 series cards. The 70 series cards have always been performant budget oriented cards, not the top end but pretty good performance for the cost. 4070 and ti are not that.
Oh jeez I didn’t realise you were talking in context of just the 40 series and thought you meant all the cards 😅 My mistake.
You’re right, a 4090 costs 2-3 consoles.
Let’s assume the 3060 costs 180 Dollars (no idea what those go for). Add 150 for a decent CPU, 40 for 16 GB of memory. Another 80 for a Mainboard for a total of 180+150+40+80=450 USD. You also need a case, a power supply and mass storage. Your math doesn’t check out, even with the humble specs those Dollars will buy you.
I’m not trying to sell you a console here, far from it. I’m just saying if you want a rig that outperforms a console, it will be in the 4-digits. A mid range GPU alone will be 400-500 nowadays.
Add 150 for a decent CPU, 40 for 16 GB of memory. Another 80 for a Mainboard for a total of 180+150+40+80=450 USD
You could have at least spent 2 minutes looking up prices instead of making stuff up. A Ryzen 5600 is $110 and a compatible motherboard $50. That CPU outperforms the PS5 and Xbox Series X by a big margin
I’m just saying if you want a rig that outperforms a console, it will be in the 4-digits.
No, you don’t. Here is a list that I quickly threw together. It has a much better CPU and GPU than current gen consoles, and 1TB of SSD storage, for “only” $550
Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor $114.83 @ Amazon Motherboard ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $59.99 @ Amazon Memory G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $29.99 @ Newegg Storage TEAMGROUP MS30 1 TB M.2-2280 SATA Solid State Drive $46.99 @ Amazon Video Card Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card $199.97 @ Newegg Case Thermaltake V100 Perforated ATX Mid Tower Case $47.99 @ Best Buy Power Supply EVGA 500 W1 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply $47.99 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $547.75 Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-11 10:35 EDT-0400 Only thing you have to consider is, that a B450 Motherboard isn’t out of the box compatible with a Ryzen 5, but an out of the box compatible Motherboard isn’t that much more expensive.
Not relevant. Games for consoles are much more optimized because there are just a few configurations.
A PC with similar specs as a console will very likely have worse performance if you compare them.
You also have less ability to mod the games so you lose out on some of those features. For example doing is level FSR like the steam deck.
Absolutely, but pls keep in mind that most people do not mod their games
I just built a system: Ryzen 7, 16 GB Ram, NVME SSD, 6680 XT etc. $825 total
You’re correct. I think the real obstacle PC gaming has to overcome for the average consumer is the basic knowledge requirement - I built the PC I currently use and game on and yet I find the numbering schemes for processors and graphics cards insanely confusing, have no idea what goes together and what doesn’t, what’s a good deal and what’s overpriced, etc. But while I was willing to put in the research when I built my current computer, I can totally understand someone else who wants something that they can just turn on and it works.
Prebuilts don’t really solve this problem either. The average consumer will see something like the “MSI Glaive-Guisarm 2077 Fortnite Edition” and I have no idea if that’s better than or worse than or about the same as a PS5.
That’s a 100 dollars more than a PS5 Digital, though.
Way to move the goal post on your argument.
What are you taking about? Your barebones configuration is a hundred dollars more than the standard PS5 years after its initial release. The PS 5 Pro (subject of your link) promises significantly more power than the original model and costs significantly more. You cannot compare that to your bare bones gaming PC. A gaming PC that promises way more bang than your 5600+6600 combo is significantly more expensive than the PS5 Pro.
Your hastily assembled list will maybe do 1080p60 in more recent games, severely limited by the GPU and its 8GB of VRAM. That was good when I got my 430 EUR Vega 56 back in 2017. Today? Not so great.
I’m a third party in this chat, not Anivia@feddit.org.
Your initial comment here was pointing out that a component of a computer build is as expensive as an entire console. Valid point, though it does ignore that the component you had in mind is superior to what Sony’s put into their machine. It’s not really an apples to apples comparison. More like an apple from the grocery compared to picking a basket of apples from an orchard.
You seem to be pointing out that higher performance per dollar is possible with a high end computer. This is correct.
Anivia on the other hand was only saying that for the same money or less as a Playstation 5 Pro, you can get more performance by spending your dollars on a computer instead of a console. This is correct.
You two seem to be saying the same thing: Sony’s console is overpriced for what it is, and a better experience can be had going with a pc.
There are console comparable to RX 6600 that costs 200$/€?
Steam Deck all the way. Also Sony’s been shit since at least the 2011 hack.
You can also get PC games from all kinds of sources and sales that ultimately are far cheaper than the pithy Playstation sales. It greatly offsets costs over time.
You also have far more backwards compatibility and flexibility especially to do things with controller profiles and mods, etc.
Not to mention in 5 years you can replace one part on the pc and increase performance.
You don’t need to upgrade every part every time
While this is technically true, in practice I’ve found there’s always something the old PC is missing, tech wise.
Socket change. Ram version change. New version of PCIe.
Effectively you need to do mobo/cpu/ram all together.
The only other components are GPU and storage, which I agree are generally transferable, but depending on age you may want to upgrade too.
I guess PSU but that is thankfully something you almost never need to upgrade, unless your new GPU sucks down a lot more watts.
Maybe if I had an AM5 board I would be in a better state, but currently on AM4 so my upgrade paths are limited (already on a 5000 series chip).
Yes but, in practice some of these things don’t matter much at all. At that point you’re looking at the performance stack a bit too deeply.
Look at the bigger picture. For example - an RTX 4090 can perform about as well on PCIe 3.0 as it does on 4.0 in most tasks that you’d likely use it for.
You don’t have to care about some of these things as much as you used to before. Sometimes you can get too deep into hunting the best version of your system before you realize that it really doesn’t make that much of a difference.
You can still do CPU+MOBO (maybe ram), and few years later GPU. Upgraded GPU a few years ago, waiting for the refresh of 3D for mono,CPU and ram.
Drives I have the same, same as tower and fans. might put the PSU to rest.
Forgot about CPU cooler. That might need change.
My current PC was at the end of AM4 from AMD, and now it’s nearing end of AM5.
I gotta break out of this cycle if I can wait until am6, I think I can though.
all kinds of sources and sales
Looks at steam library with dozens of unplayed games purchased on sale
That you obtained for the cost of like 3 full priced ps5 games 🤣
Some steam games I have gotten for as little as 0.25 to 0.50 before. I’m fine with unplayed games. Or some games I try out for a few hours and move on. Ehh, it’s fine. But I almost am never spending dozens of dollars, much less full price. Hell, a lot of games are on discount on sites like Fanatical before they even launch.
I have also noticed PC gets patches much more quickly and often than console games. So when that matters, it’s kind of nice.
Most recently, a party-based single player game I love on its PC port has an experimental co-op built in which has been a ton of fun, and that’s just not happening on the console versions.
Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?
Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?That’s because it WAS insane at 599 US dollars lol that’s worth like $900 US dollars in 2024.
For context, $599 in 2006 dollars equals $911.41 in 2024
PS1 launched at $299 in September 1995, which would be about $614 right now.
PS2 launched also at $299 in October 2000, which would be about $541 right now.
PS3 launched at $599 in November 2006, which would be about $935 right now.
PS4 launched at $399 in November 2013, which would be about $538 right now.
PS4 Pro launched at $399 in November 2016, which would be about $520 right now.
PS5 Digital launched at $399 in November 2020, which would be about $482 right now.
PS5 Disc launched at $499 in November 2020, which would be about $603 right now.
Yeah, people thought the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars because it WAS insane at 599 US dollars lol
It’s also worth noting that the launch PS3 also had a whole PS2 inside of it, which partially explains the inflated price point. I say partially since I’m prrety sure that a PS2 slim cost a lot less than $330 in 2006 dollars; they could have just bundled both consoles or offered a rebate on a PS2 purchase and called it a day.
One reason I went for it. I got the fat PS3 for Metal Gear and was still able to enjoy all my PS2 and PS1 games. Was worth it at the time.
I bought one of those 60GB original PS3s back in 06. That was also the last game console I purchased for myself. Made the switch to PC not long after that.
Yeah, aside from the switch, the 360 and PS3 were the last consoles I’ve bought.
Heh same for me too
Same. Upgrading the computer I was already going to buy with hardware to play games was cheaper than the console.
Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?
The day Microsoft did smile, as finally they could see an actual chance for their xbox thing.
That is insane
You can’t even get probably the equivalent graphics card in there for less than $700. I still think PCs are more expensive.
Thinking is but a step on the path to knowing.
That’s the radeon 6700 for base PS5, which currently costs 400€
Plus case, motherboard, CPU, memory, storage, power supply,and keyboard/mouse.
PC is overall more expensive, no doubt. But your point was incorrect.
True, I was exaggerating
Does it have to be equivalent? There are plenty of builds that will work just fine for gaming, they just aren’t 1440p or 4k, or 120hz.
There’s also that these computers can do a lot more than just game, so while you’re not getting “top of the line” graphical fidelity from your console, you can actually use it to browse the web, or run some software in your home.
Then there’s also the fact that if you want to play online it requires you pay a subscription. So even just the $10 a month for the subscription is $120 a year for every year you didn’t buy a PC instead.
So, are PC’s really more expensive, or is it the fallacy of needing the absolute best and then paying out the nose in after-ownership fees for the entire duration you own the console?
Last year 1080p displays were still 65% or so of steam users, so there’s a bunch of people would be served perfectly well with older GPUs you can get for a couple hunski instead of buying a 4080 to cram a 12 inch rod through a 4 inch hole.
You can get a comparable GPU for $400 used (rx 6900 xt) and still have $300 for everything else.
I’m just going to hang out over here with my (modded) PC games from the early 2000s that I love so much…
Modern AAA gaming is not for me.
I enjoy a AAA now and then but console prices are definitely not for me.
I’ve been looking for an excuse to switch to pc.
That is honestly the most true picture ever lol
The worst part of this for me is that I remember when you could build a PC with better specs than a console for the same price. Now we’re coming back full circle to where that might be possible again, but graphics cards never truly came down from their inflated crypto mining prices. So that means consoles are just getting more expensive and everybody is losing.
