Also it seems very weasely for a person to make accusations (I assume this was posted by an individual), without any links to back it up, anonymously via an official press release.
This sort of thing doesn’t sit right with me, and makes me lose faith in Debian as an organisation.
Yes there are, but I think the worst are political types who thrive in the shadows, hiding behind good decorum. I think the current climate of feigning offence tunes technical organisations so that the best manipulators of people rise to the top rather than the best technologists. But that might be my own personal bias speaking.
But I think I found one of the websites they’re talking about. https://debian.community/ - it seems to be filled with hit pieces against the Debian team, accusing them of all sorts of ills.
It looks like someone who has an axe to grind and is picking apart everything that the Debian team do and showing it in the worst possible light, in a conspiratorial finger-poking style.
Are there actually threats on there? Corruption, threats and blackmail seem to be the site’s main allegations, so I wouldn’t expect it to contain threats as that’d be hypocritical.
I have no solid basis for judgement either way, but I’ve run into people that sound spot on like Daniel when I’ve done community management type tasks. No matter the moral outrage, it always turns out there was more to the story that they were conveniently leaving out. They can be difficult to deal with because it is easier to smash apart decades of community development, while community managers have to be careful to maintain a level head and keep the community or organization going.
How come? It all seems very vague. Was it this?
https://danielpocock.com/debian-debconf-diversity-harassment-abuse-expulsion/
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Also it seems very weasely for a person to make accusations (I assume this was posted by an individual), without any links to back it up, anonymously via an official press release.
This sort of thing doesn’t sit right with me, and makes me lose faith in Debian as an organisation.
AFAIK this person has been also banned by FOSDEM and FSFE and others so I would take his statement with a pinch of salt before blaming Debian:
https://lwn.net/Articles/888204/ https://fsfe.org/about/legal/minutes/minutes-2019-10-12.en.pdf https://openlabs.cc/en/statement-we-have-been-a-target-of-disinformation-efforts-our-initial-reaction/
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Yes there are, but I think the worst are political types who thrive in the shadows, hiding behind good decorum. I think the current climate of feigning offence tunes technical organisations so that the best manipulators of people rise to the top rather than the best technologists. But that might be my own personal bias speaking.
But I think I found one of the websites they’re talking about. https://debian.community/ - it seems to be filled with hit pieces against the Debian team, accusing them of all sorts of ills.
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It looks like someone who has an axe to grind and is picking apart everything that the Debian team do and showing it in the worst possible light, in a conspiratorial finger-poking style.
Are there actually threats on there? Corruption, threats and blackmail seem to be the site’s main allegations, so I wouldn’t expect it to contain threats as that’d be hypocritical.
I have no solid basis for judgement either way, but I’ve run into people that sound spot on like Daniel when I’ve done community management type tasks. No matter the moral outrage, it always turns out there was more to the story that they were conveniently leaving out. They can be difficult to deal with because it is easier to smash apart decades of community development, while community managers have to be careful to maintain a level head and keep the community or organization going.