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Resorts World Las Vegas, a hotel that is hosting attendees of the DEF CON hacking conference this week, will perform daily inspections of rooms including those displaying a privacy sign, according to a letter from the hotel given to guests. An information security professional posted a photo of the letter online. Members of the cybersecurity community have reacted with a mix of anger and disappointment on social media.
“Welcome, and thank you for choosing Resorts World Las Vegas. We are pleased that you have joined us, as you have chosen to stay with us for relaxation, fun and excitement!” the message, written on hotel letterhead, reads.
“As you may or may not know, a well-known hacking convention will be held in Las Vegas during your stay,” it adds. DEF CON runs from August 8 to 11, with many attendees already in the city for the separate Black Hat cybersecurity conference or other events. “We remain committed to our guests’ safety and understand the utmost importance of cybersecurity, as well.”
The letter then describes what staff at Resorts World Las Vegas will be doing: “In an effort to increase the safety of our guests, we will be conducting scheduled, brief visual and non-intrusive room inspections daily beginning Monday, August 5. Rooms with a privacy sign will be included as part of the inspection process.”
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But… it’s cybersecurity. What is a “brief visual and non-intrusive room inspection” even looking for? Anonymous masks? Green terminals with scrolling text? People shouting “enhance” and/or “I’m in”?
Possibly they’re looking for people assembling their sniper rifles, or trying to ensure that no hotel room gets gutted to become some group’s command HQ with 50 amps of electronics with no shielding sprouting from the wall sockets and clean (de)soldering stations set up alongside an electron microscope?
I know what’s gone on in those hotel rooms in past years, and a lot of it is stuff I wouldn’t want to have to deal with as a hotelier.
He’s in a hoodie, take him out!
Which one, sir? They’re all in hoodies!
Answering machines, scrabble boards, camouflage laptops, rollerblades.
HACK THE PLANET! THEY’RE TRASHING OUR RIGHTS!
Too many secrets
We didn’t start the fire!
Captain Crunch whistles.
I’ve heard you can bankrupt financial institutions with one of those.
For those who missed the joke: Payphone hackers (often called phreakers) discovered that a toy whistle from Captain Crunch cereal boxes could easily be modified to play the specific tone that payphones listened for to indicate that a coin had been inserted. Basically, the phone company didn’t know when a coin has been put in, without some sort of signal from the pay phone. And typically, the only lines run to the phone were the actual phone line. So the pay phone would play a specific 2600Hz tone, indicating that a coin was inserted.
Using this toy whistle, you could essentially use payphones for free, and it was entirely untraceable until the company emptied the phone and counted the coins in the collection bin. In an era when cellphones were only for millionaires and were the size of literal bricks the world was almost entirely dependent on pay phones unless you were at home. So this was a major discovery for phreaks, who quickly began experimenting to see what other tones may be used to send signals.
Naturally, the phone companies panicked, and quickly had the cereal company pull the toys from future boxes.
It didn’t need modification, it was naturally the right pitch.
I like to say enhance before opening the full file from a thumbnail in feh when showing my wife pictures. She hates it and I will not stop
She’s a lucky lady.
Maybe some Guy Fawkes masks?
How can an inspection be non-intrusive if it consists of physically entering a guest’s room? As an aside, I was hoping I could attend this year but my company said there wasn’t enough budget 🙄. Whenever I attend Defcon or Blackhat, I stay in hotels not directly within the vicinity of the con because of all the shenanigans.
How can an inspection be non-intrusive if it consists of physically entering a guest’s room?
“Because we said it was!” - Hotel Management
Non-Intrusive in that they enter the room, which is their property and they have the right to enter, but they aren’t going through your stuff.
Renters have rights.
They do, and you agree to whatever rights are outlined in the rental agreement when you check in and sign the forms.
There are rights you can’t give up even by signing them away.
So you can’t sign away your right to not have your room searched on the owner’s property?
You’re getting upvotes and the other guy down. Based on feelings.
Legal chapter and verse please.
Have you used the internet before? That’s how this works
On private property, you agree to the terms the property owner sets.
There are still rights you 100% cannot sign away regardless of what property you are on.
There are also rights people think they have on private property that they absolutely do not have. ;)
When you give someone the key to property you own for an exchange of money, you indeed lose that explicit right.
So, no. You are incorrect. It is their property, but they gave up the right to enter with less than 24 hrs notice when they sold the keys.
This is by definition, intrusive.
I have to point out that they have, indeed, given more than 24 hours notice with the letter they posted. DEF CON hasn’t started yet and they informed the con organizers to inform the attendees with the rooms.
So this is reasonable.
Is it right? Probably not; and they’re probably going to upset a lot of folks. Let’s hope they use discretion and only inspect rooms where they believe something unusual is going on.
Sounds like they are giving FAR MORE than 24 hours notice to me.
On that technicality though couldnt anyone just put that notice in the initial contract on any place and then come in anytime? I feel like that wouldnt fly
Spot the person who has never read a hotel rental agreement.
Spot the person who has a fundamental misundertanding of property rights.
Get fucked, my guy. I was polite, but youre returning fightin words.
Google the term “reasonable person” and quickly learn that any such agreement has no legal standing. It’s an agreement. It is not contractual. It is not enforcable.
Not the person you’re responding to… but consider your proposal that an unreasonable person Google the definition of a reasonable person. I imagine they won’t come to the correct conclusion.
Well played homie 🥂
Let’s break those contract down: contracts are enforceable. Unless, they interfere with other rights you have and those take priority. How? Well there’s things like conscionability and consideration.
Consideration means, both parties have to get something in return. It can literally be a corn of rice, but it has to be something.
Conscionability means there’s things too egregious to be enforceable through contract law.
For example I can’t sign a contract that I want to be killed by someone else. It gets very complicated, but in it’s most basic form, it is unconscionable to just chalk a death up to freedom, just because you found a contract of the victim stating they want to be killed. The investigation takes priority and a prosecution’s case could be brought in spite of any contract. This render such a contract void.
So what does this fall under? Well there’s a lot of rights that people that rent a property have and that they can enforce against them against the landlords. Some of those rights pierce the veil of the contract and therefore are enforceable in spite of the contract.
Now I am not sure about the rights in this particular situation but there is a solid chance this creates a legal claim against the hotel company.
My point is, both of you are right, but you are getting down voted right now because you are ignoring the the fact that contract law, although very broad, is not absolute, and especially in this case it might be unenforceable.
Obligatory IANAL.
The biggest point of issue, if I were a lawyer, is whether or not these terms were agreed upon (or ‘not’) before or after the point of sale.
I mean yeah if it’s not in the original contract that obv makes it way easier, assuming they didn’t suddenly agree to a second contract mentioning explicitly that.
That is, either terms of the contract can be unenforceable, the whole contract could get voided or the the terms are not in the contract. Any of that means there’s a good chance the hotel is doing illegal things.
And quiet frankly, if I were the hotel I would not try that stuff, and even if I announced this, I wouldn’t follow through.
Way to make your lawyers and bank account work overtime.
As a parent, I have the right to enter my kids’ rooms anytime I want. If I don’t do it respectfully, it will definitely be intrusive.
The hotel does have their rights. When they abuse those rights, it becomes intrusive. Rights don’t really have anything to do with feeling that someone is being intrusive.
Las Vegas always has their SWAT team on standby during Defcon, in case they need to shoot the internet.
They must have very powerful rifles if they can reach all the way to England.
How long until the CEO of this hotel gets an email to his personal email address containing a .zip of all of their customer’s PII?
How long until the manager of this hotel gets exposed for putting cameras in the hotel room bathrooms?
With default user “Administrator”, no password, and on a vlan accessible through the guest wifi.
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Hotel clerk: Sir, is that dangerous equipment you’re setting up?
Hacker: It’s just a WiFi coconut, a rubber duck, a flipper zero, and a few IMSI catchers.
Clerk: Okay then. So, carry on I guess?
“Sir, you dropped your honeypot!”
“scheduled” - We’re telling you when we’re coming, hide yo’ shit!
OTOH - WTF do they think they’re looking for? I don’t expect hotel staff to know a nefarious device from a multi-port USB hub.
They are gonna find sooooo many Bad Dragon dildos.
Take it from me, Do NOT google this…
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Or do. I won’t judge.
Too late. Had to wash my eyes with bleach after seeing all that. O.O
Would be great to find out that this wasn’t a real notice, someone just social-engineered hotel letterhead from three different hotels and printed up something inflammatory to catch the community’s attention.
They put the fake ATMs in the lobby and the “free wifi” on balloons in the vendor hall anyway.
Also, if you vend or buy anything there, stick to cash.
Heh, I remember that. I still have my defcon 17 Human badge somewhere.
For anyone else curious which hotels are affected by this measure:
- Hilton Las Vegas
- Conrad Las Vegas
- Crockfords Las Vegas
Did NOT know Doug had a hotel.
Gotta make sure the rooms are being used for good and not evil.
They appear to be starting this before the event, so something has them spooked (could just be the con full of spooks). Also with the volume of technical know-how that is going to be in attendance I think
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There is no way someone wont spot funny bususiness if a group or indivudal is trying to pull something.
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If a visual inspection is all their doing (unlikely) then this amounts to nothing more that security theatre. If they are being more invasive the attendees will know (its DEF CON for fuck sake).
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This may just prompt the attendees to book at another resort next year and hurt the hotel in the long run, seeing as this is very close to the opening of the con I dont see many groups changing their booking in time.
If they are being more invasive the attendees will know
With this announcement, I fully expect every DefCon room to be running their own security cameras.
Now that you mention it, I expect video of room searches on the ctf reel next year.
If I learned this after I had booked, I would be expecting a refund as well as compensation for missing the conference if I couldn’t find alternative accommodation.
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They did know announcing this ahead of time is just begging to have their system hacked and taken down, right?
what system
I would be very surprised if they didn’t have a hotel intranet for various administrative functions, especially with an attached convention center, and probably one with an external pipe to some central server that the corporation uses.
It’s one of the classic blunders. Right up there with starting a land war in Asia.
Yeah, OK, time to hack their schedule.
Look on your list, you’ve already been in here today.
This is just a tutorial level.
Well, I found the CTF targets.
I think they started doing room checks in Vegas after that one guy sniped the music festival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
