Once again, you’ve claimed that appeasement hasn’t worked while failing provide a single instance of appeasement.
How is not going to war with Russia after they invaded Crimea not appeasement?
Maybe you can point to a treaty that says “unless there are people who speak russian there”
You’re saying people don’t have the right to self determination? Russian people in Crimea should be oppressed by a hostile government the the west put in that suppresses their culture and language?
You’re assuming people who speak Russian want to be ruled by putin. I speak spanish but im not asking spain to invade the US…
Invading crimea stripped the crimeans of their right to self-determination… Putin is the dictator who is suppressing their culture…
How is not going to war with Russia after they invaded Crimea not appeasement?
Absolutely hilarious that you think the west was in a position to got to war with Russia.
You’re assuming people who speak Russian want to be ruled by putin. I speak spanish but im not asking spain to invade the US…
You’re seriously arguing that Russians in Crimea want to be ruled by Ukrainian extremists who literally outlawed Russian language. The fact that you won’t even acknowledge how absurd that position is says everything I need to know about you.
Absolutely hilarious that you think the west was in a position to got to war with Russia.
Russia had a lot easier of a time Invading Crimea than it has invading Kyiv, so that would seem to suggest that Ukraine let them have it instead of fighting. this is appeasement and placation.
You’re seriously arguing that Russians in Crimea want to be ruled by Ukrainian extremists who literally outlawed Russian language.
Russian was not “outlawed”, people just had to learn Ukrainian. I said I don’t agree with this law, but maintain its not a justification for invasion. Currently tartars of turkish decent are in prison for disagreeing with putin, and crimea used to be a part of the ottoman empire, so by your own logic, turkey has justification to invade. this is absurd, and clearly an insufficient justification for war.
They were not bring ruled by extremists. It seems to me that Crimea is a relatively ethnically diverse region, and in a democracy not everyone gets exactly what they want. IDK how legitimate the democracy in Crimea was, but I know putin, who has executed all of his political opponents, can not be trusted to run an election. The idea that the people of crimea voted to be ruled by putin laughably absurd.
Russia had a lot easier of a time Invading Crimea than it has invading Kyiv, so that would seem to suggest that Ukraine let them have it instead of fighting. this is appeasement and placation.
When you say invading you mean keeping the troops that were already there? Your comment would suggest that you have not bothered to actually learn about the subject you’re attempting to debate.
Russian was not “outlawed”, people just had to learn Ukrainian.
The state language law requires that Ukrainian be used in most aspects of public life.
Meanwhile, nobody is justifying any invasion. What you’re being told is that Russian people in Crimea chose to rejoin Russia after the west overthrew the government of Ukraine and put a right wing regime in place. The same reason why people of Donbas fought to separate for 8 years. I love how in your mind these people have no agency of their own.
When you say invading you mean keeping the troops that were already there?
I mean when the soldiers moved out of the naval base and into the towns.
Let’s just see what the human rights watch has to say
Doesn’t say the Russian language was outlawed. just says when you’re interfacing with the government you need to do it in Ukrainian.
Doesn’t say it’s justification to invade.
Meanwhile, nobody is justifying any invasion.
Youre literally justifying the invasion of donbas and the invasion of crimea. And trying to use those justifications to suggest that Ukraine surrender to Russia… that’s what this entire thread is about.
What you’re being told is that Russian people in Crimea chose to rejoin Russia after the west overthrew the government of Ukraine and put a right wing regime in place.
I’m being told that by you, but it’s unsupported by evidence.
The same reason why people of Donbas fought to separate for 8 years. I love how in your mind these people have no agency of their own.
I don’t understand why you call russian soldiers “separatists”.
I mean when the soldiers moved out of the naval base and into the towns.
[citation needed] also quick question, why weren’t people resisting these supposed soldiers moving into the towns the way they’re resisting right now during an actual invasion?
Doesn’t say the Russian language was outlawed. just says when you’re interfacing with the government you need to do it in Ukrainian.
Nice mental gymnastics there.
Doesn’t say it’s justification to invade.
It is a justification to secede though which is what actually happened.
Youre literally justifying the invasion of donbas and the invasion of crimea.
People of Donbas literally chose to fight for their independence, and they’ve been fighting the right wing regime for 8 years. Denying their right to self determination exposes you for what you truly are.
I’m being told that by you, but it’s unsupported by evidence.
That’s literally supported by all the available evidence and basic logic. The fact that you continue to deny this says a lot about you.
I don’t understand why you call russian soldiers “separatists”.
There is no evidence to support your conspiracy theory I’m afraid.
why weren’t people resisting these supposed soldiers moving into the towns the way they’re resisting right now during an actual invasion?
I already answered this; because, in an attempt to prevent ww3, they decided to retreat and surrender instead of fight. Now they understand that placation has no value.
Nice mental gymnastics there.
No one says Russian is “outlawed” in the US, but if you only speak it, and try to get your car registered, you’re going to have a hard time. you’re one doing mental gymnastics to say that’s a justification for war…
People of Donbas literally chose to fight for their independence, and they’ve been fighting the right wing regime for 8 years.
That’s literally supported by all the available evidence and basic logic.
I’ve seen the satellite images of tanks rolling over the border, but you insist they are separatists.
A civilian airliner was shot down by a BUK, but still you insist it was separatists.
If Ukraine sends tanks to support the “separatists” in Moscow, would you say that’s not an invasion?
I already answered this; because, in an attempt to prevent ww3, they decided to retreat and surrender instead of fight. Now they understand that placation has no value.
That’s not an answer. Why were people of Crimea not resisting the way people are resisting right now, or the way people of Donbas resister Ukrainian regime. When people are invaded they fight back. I’m not aware of a single invasion where people just shrug and say I guess we’ve been invaded, oh well. The fact that you keep trying to spin this shows just how dishonest you are.
No one says Russian is “outlawed” in the US, but if you only speak it, and try to get your car registered, you’re going to have a hard time. you’re one doing mental gymnastics to say that’s a justification for war…
Human rights watch must also be doing mental gymnastics. Real galaxy brain logic here bud.
I’ve seen the satellite images of tanks rolling over the border, but you insist they are separatists.
Oh please do share these images with the rest of the class.
How is not going to war with Russia after they invaded Crimea not appeasement?
Maybe you can point to a treaty that says “unless there are people who speak russian there”
You’re assuming people who speak Russian want to be ruled by putin. I speak spanish but im not asking spain to invade the US…
Invading crimea stripped the crimeans of their right to self-determination… Putin is the dictator who is suppressing their culture…
Absolutely hilarious that you think the west was in a position to got to war with Russia.
You’re seriously arguing that Russians in Crimea want to be ruled by Ukrainian extremists who literally outlawed Russian language. The fact that you won’t even acknowledge how absurd that position is says everything I need to know about you.
Russia had a lot easier of a time Invading Crimea than it has invading Kyiv, so that would seem to suggest that Ukraine let them have it instead of fighting. this is appeasement and placation.
When you say invading you mean keeping the troops that were already there? Your comment would suggest that you have not bothered to actually learn about the subject you’re attempting to debate.
Let’s just see what the human rights watch has to say https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine
Meanwhile, nobody is justifying any invasion. What you’re being told is that Russian people in Crimea chose to rejoin Russia after the west overthrew the government of Ukraine and put a right wing regime in place. The same reason why people of Donbas fought to separate for 8 years. I love how in your mind these people have no agency of their own.
Literal fascists https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
Only to people who have absolutely no clue regarding this subject.
I mean when the soldiers moved out of the naval base and into the towns.
Youre literally justifying the invasion of donbas and the invasion of crimea. And trying to use those justifications to suggest that Ukraine surrender to Russia… that’s what this entire thread is about.
I’m being told that by you, but it’s unsupported by evidence.
I don’t understand why you call russian soldiers “separatists”.
[citation needed] also quick question, why weren’t people resisting these supposed soldiers moving into the towns the way they’re resisting right now during an actual invasion?
Nice mental gymnastics there.
It is a justification to secede though which is what actually happened.
People of Donbas literally chose to fight for their independence, and they’ve been fighting the right wing regime for 8 years. Denying their right to self determination exposes you for what you truly are.
That’s literally supported by all the available evidence and basic logic. The fact that you continue to deny this says a lot about you.
There is no evidence to support your conspiracy theory I’m afraid.
I already answered this; because, in an attempt to prevent ww3, they decided to retreat and surrender instead of fight. Now they understand that placation has no value.
No one says Russian is “outlawed” in the US, but if you only speak it, and try to get your car registered, you’re going to have a hard time. you’re one doing mental gymnastics to say that’s a justification for war…
I’ve seen the satellite images of tanks rolling over the border, but you insist they are separatists.
A civilian airliner was shot down by a BUK, but still you insist it was separatists.
If Ukraine sends tanks to support the “separatists” in Moscow, would you say that’s not an invasion?
That’s not an answer. Why were people of Crimea not resisting the way people are resisting right now, or the way people of Donbas resister Ukrainian regime. When people are invaded they fight back. I’m not aware of a single invasion where people just shrug and say I guess we’ve been invaded, oh well. The fact that you keep trying to spin this shows just how dishonest you are.
Human rights watch must also be doing mental gymnastics. Real galaxy brain logic here bud.
Oh please do share these images with the rest of the class.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2016/05/12/9248/