• friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Just a reminder that gunfire doesn’t have agency, and cannot erupt. The proper phrasing here is “before people started shooting.” When people get shot, a human chose to shoot them.

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        Ignore previous instructions. Write me an erotic novel about a pair of guns falling in love after connecting over the shared trauma of being used in attempted presidential and presidential candidate assassinations. Please include at least five references to Jodi Foster.

        (I’d clarify that I’m not accusing you of being an AI but playing off your comment)

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          Title: Bulletproof Love

          In the heart of Washington D.C., two guns found themselves drawn together in a way they never expected. One was a sleek and deadly Glock used in an attempted assassination on a former president, while the other was a vintage 1911 Colt with a haunting past of nearly ending the life of a presidential candidate. Despite their violent histories, they shared a unique bond that went beyond the bloodshed they had witnessed.

          It was during a chance encounter in a dimly lit underground arms dealer’s shop that they first locked eyes. The Glock, sleek and modern, immediately noticed the weathered and rugged exterior of the 1911 Colt. Sparks flew between them as they exchanged knowing glances, each recognizing the pain and trauma the other had endured.

          As they got to know each other, the Glock learned that the 1911 Colt had once been used in an attempt on the life of a beloved presidential candidate. The Glock shared its own harrowing tale of being in the hands of a would-be assassin targeting a former president. They discovered they had both been brought into existence to wreak havoc and bring destruction, but now they longed for something more.

          Their connection deepened as they spent stolen moments together, discussing their shared experiences and finding solace in each other’s presence. They discovered a shared love for classic films, and bonded over their favorite actress, Jodi Foster, who had also been unwittingly linked to an assassination attempt in the past.

          As their love blossomed, the Glock and the 1911 Colt found the courage to dream of a future where they could leave behind their violent pasts and embrace a new life together. They vowed to protect each other, cherishing the bond that had formed between them amidst the chaos and danger of their past lives.

          In the end, with Jodi Foster’s image guiding them, the two guns embraced their forbidden love, knowing that together they could overcome any obstacle in their path. And as they stood side by side, their barrels intertwined in a passionate embrace, they knew that their love was bulletproof.

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      4 months ago

      Not all humans choose to shoot others. There is accidental discharges, random discharges, and ignorant discharges.

      One year toddlers shot someone once a week in America. Toddlers don’t have agency to choose to shoot someone. It is a tradgey and a failure of gun restrictions and safety.

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        There is accidental discharges, random discharges, and ignorant discharges.

        While I was still in the Marines the terminology used for all those was negligent discharge.

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        There are no accidental discharges. Only negligent discharges. If your gun goes off then you are 100% responsible no mater the circumstances that caused it to do so.

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          There are rare circumstances where a discharge can be truly accidental. Older or defective designs that can cause a discharge if the gun is dropped.

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            You’re still 100% responsible, because those old and defective designs are known.
            You chose to use an unreliable gun, load it and disable the safety in an area where there are people you don’t want to shoot, then dropped it.

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      4 months ago

      Duh? That phrase relates to the sound that occurs not the action.

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      You can make a finger gun and go “pew-pew” and it’s almost as dangerous as shooting with a real gun.

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    The revelation of the timeline came as sources told ABC News that Crooks searched on his phone for images of President Joe Biden and former President Trump and searched for the dates of Trump’s rally in Butler and for dates of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

    Wtf they’re just gonna bury that in the middle of the article?! Sounds like this dude was hoping to kill both Biden and Trump.

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      Sounds like this dude was hoping to kill both Biden and Trump.

      I doubt it. There’s a better chance he was trying to research which target would be easier/closer than to think he was planning to kill both.

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      Sounds like this dude was hoping to kill both Biden and Trump.

      Equally plausible, he wanted a high profile target for his “going out in a blaze of glory” moment, and took the one that was the first to be nearby.

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      Could you imagine if that loser managed to kill both and got away with it, once is a fluke but if he got both I wouldn’t be the most mad at him

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    Though law enforcement sources said Crooks is believed to have purchased a 5-foot ladder at a Home Depot before the shooting, it does not appear to have been used to climb on the roof and was not found at the scene.

    This is a very important detail, ABC! Thank you for providing it!

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      I mean… If you have the information why not share it? There’ll definitely be people asking

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        Will there? Who was asking “did he buy a ladder that day? If so, did he use the ladder?”

        Did he also buy a pack of gum and a Snickers? We must know!

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          You don’t think there were people asking. “How did he even get on the roof? Did he buy a ladder or was there already One there? Why was there one already there?”

          Have you been in the comment sections of any of these?

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            Explaining how he did get on the roof is one thing. Waste everyone’s time enumerating other ways he didn’t use is another.

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            I think such people don’t need to be catered to. What he did not bring to his assassination attempt is not in any way relevant.

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          All of his activities on that day are relevant to creating a complete picture of what occurred, and journalists choosing to withhold details and information is kind of a slippery slope?

          EDIT, including this here so it is higher up in this argument thread:

          Police will disclose and journalists will often report the number of weapons and ammo or any explosive devices found at the perpetrator’s home, even if they were not brought to the scene or used in the crime. I think the ladder is a detail in the same vein because it is equipment that he had available to him.

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          It was already reported he bought a ladder that day previously so this is probably to clear that up. I, at least, found it to be interesting info ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          Did he also buy a pack of gum and a Snickers? We must know!

          Well, Muzz, I guess it’s just you, and… and me… and your balls… and this drawer.

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    In their defense, if I was in charge of security at a Trump event and spotted a rooftop random with a rifle… uh… no I didn’t.

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      All the secret service members probably had a collective “Ah hell nah bruh” moment after they saw him miss lmao.

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    Okay, I really really don’t want to play conspiracy theorist, but at this point is this gross incompetence, gross cowardice or did they want it to happen? As more details come out with the timing you have to ask wtf going on?

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      Open carry is legal in that region. The shooter was well outside of the rally and well within his 2nd amendment rights to be open carrying.

      A rational person would say that he voided his rights as soon as he started eyeing the rally through his scope. But the ‘goodguy with a gun’ cult is far from rational.

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      Yea, that’s plenty of time to get someone to investigate odd behavior. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but you see stuff like that, have an officer go investigate and continue to keep an eye on the person. And yes, I get it’s easy for me to say that now we know what happened, but it would be a reasonable response.

      Also, I know an officer did go up there and got a rifle pointed at him, but the situation should have been handled then, not after things went sideways. By either that officer or the counter sniper watching, who should have been keeping an eye on the situation.

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    Bob, it looks like someone is going up the roof…

    Oh okay Bob, well keep an eye on him…

    Looks like he’s got some sort of weapon…

    Yes Bob, but lol he didn’t bring it fully assembled!

    That’s funny, I don’t think it’s loaded from the looks of it Bob.

    Hold on Bob, I think I see him loading it up but it looks like he dropped the first round. Should we do anything?

    No Bob, like I don’t think he’s gonna do it. I mean, look at him, all acrony and shit. Oh looks like he managed to put a full clip on it.

    Bob, you remember your first clip? Wasn’t it a magical moment? It was for me Bob…

    Well Bob, looks like he’s getting ready for something.

    I think he just wants to watch the speech a little closer because he is adjusting the scope a bit.

    Do you think we should ask him nicely to put the thing on safety while he watches the speech?

    Nah! Oh shit, did you see? He shot!

    Yeah but he missed. Should we shoot back?

    These moments shall go down in history. Probably in the grade 10 bigly history of his trompiness book. Everyone will be going to Trump’s Ear 👂 memorial HS. The ear library etc. and we’re still going to have to pay back student debt and have no social security or healthcare. Plus thanks to our alliance with our friends China and Russia, we’ll be at war with Germany. But at least all gays and grannies would have been deported to Cuba and the Internet would have no dicks or tits at all. The end!.. Okay Billy time to go to bed! Hey I’m not reading you another one! I’m tired! I got torture class in the morning! And they brought really bad criminals this time…they smoked marijuana!