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Nah false flag. It looks staged.
Attendees died, and Trump is way too cowardly to fake this with actual ammunition. It’s real
EDIT: Mind, if you want to say it’s staged to rile up the right who keeps saying shootings are staged, then please, continue
EDIT: Mind, if you want to say it’s staged to rile up the right who keeps saying shootings are staged, then please, continue
Fucking don’t. Spreading disinformation to “trigger the repubs” isn’t a productive strategy. Don’t stoop to their level.
If your narrative requires spreading lies, your narrative is garbage.
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Conservatives can call everything fake news and spreading misinformation is suddenly a problem when it happens to their own people? Tiniest violin.
Stooping to their level doesn’t make us better, it makes us just as bad as them.
Taking the high road is a luxury only affordable by people who aren’t fighting an existential threat.
“We go high you go low”
And when they dismantle the government and march people off to internment camps you’ll be able to smile proud and say “at least I didn’t stoop to their level”
Right?
If it saves democracy, then we need to stoop lower. The time of formalities is long over
One attendee died. And the shooter is supposedly off site. Something doesn’t add up.
Nah. Seems pretty simple
I highly doubt that, staging something like this would be an insanely dangerous move, a slight miss from the shooter in such a scenario would be lethal, and given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used. Trump may be a fan of ridiculous stunts, but he’s also pretty self interested; I do not think he would risk his own life for such a stunt.
I understand the impulse to not want someone one agrees with politically to have done something like try a political assassination, and then immediately leap to the idea that the notion that the event might help the intended victim’s political chances is just a bit too convenient and therefore must mean they orchestrated it, but it must be remembered that, whatever views one has, or groups one is in, or identities one holds, as long as they are not so obscure as to be shared by only a handful of people, it is statistically likely that there will be people who are on your team or side of group who are willing to do something like this given the chance, just by virtue of such people making up a fraction of the population.
Trump is hated by a lot of people, myself included and a large fraction of the people likely to be reading this too I’m sure. It is not at all unrealistic to imagine that someone hates him enough to try to kill him.
The only reason I want this to be staged is because I want it to be exposed as a stunt. He fucking deserves this and I’m only sad he missed. Fuck. Donald. Trump.
I’d be celebrating if he hadn’t.
Has Trump ever made you think “that guy makes good choices”?
No, but he also does not look suicidal enough to have someone shoot live ammunition right next to his head and trust they make the shot perfectly.
Who said it was live ammo?
The reporting I’ve seen was that someone in the crowd was killed by this, just not Trump himself, that implies that whatever was fired at least was deadly.
Not that I agree with the arguments here either way but… Devil’s advocate.
Blanks are not a “safe” round and are deadly. They still fire a regular powder charge and an explosion still leaves the barrel, they just aren’t pushing a bullet ahead of them. They will kill just like a regular round at closer ranges. An attendee dying doesn’t inherently mean that blanks weren’t used. Actual bullets are evidence, but we don’t have concrete info of that sort yet.
The case, in my mind, for the false flag hypothesis is simple: he’s a blithering coward. If a serious attempt was made on his life, nothing about his prior behavior suggests he would be fist-pumping. His confidence betrays comfort. Further, he idolizes those who have used similar false flags. Maintaining composure in such an event is so remote a possibility, that the probability of an orchestrated scenario with foreknowledge, a common blood capsule, and collateral damage seems comparatively likely.
Not certain, of course, but probable enough for consideration. Certainly it’s far too early to draw concrete conclusions one way or another. However, if it were a false flag, how would it look differently?
Indeed he is a known coward, which is why getting someone to shoot at him and miss is absolutely off brand for him. The risk is way too high.
I hunt and shoot long range and I would trust myself to hit the head at that range, but not a chance on the ear. Even wind is too great a factor and the potential for an accidental fatality is just way too high.
I don’t consider myself a coward and there’s no way I’d set up this shot. It’s Russian roulette.
This assumes he was shot at directly. A stage blood pack in the midst of anticipated gunfire sounds more likely to me than a triumphant, exposed rise after actually being hit.
Still, far from a certainty. But the rhetorical power of such an event, the uncharacteristically brave behavior, and the similarity to known false flags in ahem historical regimes prevent me from discarding the hypothesis.
given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used.
I do not know whether the bystander who was killed was shot by the assassin or by the Secret Service. Do you?
I highly doubt that, staging something like this would be an insanely dangerous move, a slight miss from the shooter in such a scenario would be lethal, and given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used. Trump may be a fan of ridiculous stunts, but he’s also pretty self interested; I do not think he would risk his own life for such a stunt.
He’s mentally impaired from neurosyphilis by now. How can people believe he’s the only person making decisions there?
If someone else planned this, then him not dying means his popularity rising, him dying means him becoming a martyr and his side’s popularity rising.
I’m not claiming it happened this way or any specific way.
Just a very rare event to say something certainly, but this definitely changes the situation for a lot of money, if we express power in money. That means somebody could have made an effort of the same magnitude.
Don’t be like the right. They claim everything is fake. We are better than that
It’s a joke.
He should have considered telling people about it during that debate on primetime national TV.
I swear to God democratic PR personnelle is all Republican sleeper agents. They are so inept it’s maddening. Women lost their reproductive rights, Trump tried to overthrow our government. Biden should be just repeating these points over and over again.
Just like Republicans do when they find themselves an issue.
Stop trying to explain stuff to Americans, they are too stupid. Just hammer easy to understand points that are wrapped in emotion.
I completely agree
Yeah he could have mentioned that in the debate
Americans need to get off the political extremism ride, it’s not a good fit for you guys. Go back to drinking milkshakes and talking too loud in Europe.
Are you saying we don’t do those other things? We are perfectly capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, thank you very much
At least uhh… At least half of us probably are capable.
And that’s all we need in a first past the post system!
DID SOMEONE SAY MILKSHAKE?!?
The answer to uniting the US was there all along.
Well this election isn’t about reading anymore. It’s about who’s still alive on election day.
keep up with the brilliant campaign strategy, Joe. tell people to read… that’ll go well.
If he was still capable of using the bully pulpit (and if he had ever been seriously interested in using it at all), he could start at the beginning and focus on one section at a time over the course of weeks. Instead he’s telling Americans to read something that is simultaneously dull and hateful with no context.
seriously i never thought I’d see a political candidate give people homework.
This would be perfect as a podcast. Just break up the document section by section and do a whole series on it. Detail what Republicans want to do, why it’s evil shit, how they want to accomplish it, and then draw a contrast between what Democrats want and what Democrats intend to do instead and what they need to accomplish it. Could go section by section in as much depth as you want. End each episode with a preview of the next one, start each episode with a “last time on Dragon Ball Z” recap of the previous one.
People could get this information while driving or doing the dishes or folding laundry. Instead of expecting them to sit down and read the unabridged and un-annotated “How We’re Gonna Do a Fascism” by the Heritage Foundation.
Whether or not they would listen to such a podcast, who can say?
He finally getting around to this huh. The whole damn party needs to be drilling this into the American psyche. We really need an ethical individual - well as ethical as you can find, it’s a pretty big ask - to serve as a rally point for the Democrats. I mean, we could have had Bernie but Hilary and the DNC fucked that all up thanks to their complete unwillingness to read the goddamn room.
Ethical? Just get Jimmy Carter back up there. If Dems are willing to look past the age issues with Biden and say shit like “you’re electing an administration, not a person”, they might as well go with someone that actually has a good track record.
Bonus points if he can pull off a new “energy crisis” too. Might do us good to increase the incentive on transitioning off fossil fuels…
Do you really think the state is intended for the benefit of the populace and working class?
He asked americans to read? He really really doesn’t want to be president anymore
Not just read, but read a nearly 1000 page, dry, political document
Which isn’t even related to Trump.
Bill Clinton: “Violence has no place in America, especially in our political process”
Bill… c’mon. America is violence’s head cheerleader.
He’s just glad they used Monica instead. More pleasant, humane and all that.
Obligatory “if these Americans could read, they would be very upset.”
And if (when?) people come after democrats violently, I doubt trump will call for an end to it. Democrats once again bring a sternly-worded letter of disapproval to a gun fight.
Biden has a point.
Biden’s not wrong.
Biden is holding everyone hostage here. It’s him or the other worse option. But he is completely responsible for the situation we are in now.
Blaming Biden for the GOP being fascists seems odd to me.
Biden is not responsible people do not want to vote for him. Voters are responsible for not voting for a person they do not want to vote for!
He is responsible for intentionally hiding his true mental state from the public. Running such a close race with Trump should be a clear sign of how unpopular he is as a candidate. At this point, Democrats are dangerously close to losing this election replacing him or not. That is on him.
I wouldn’t say completely responsible, but he and the Democratic Party more broadly are certainly taking advantage of the situation.
America could have had Bernie.
Taking advantage right up to the point they lose power, and drag the US into an incredibly dark period.
And they’ll blame the left.
Lol they already started victim blaming. “The second American revolution is coming and it will be bloodless if the left allows it to be”
The Irony is that they have bernie sanders but because they bend over to AIPAC they dont want Bernie.
Well, such moments in politics show us that rats do not, in fact, jump the ship first.
Still two groups of very shady people pitting a senile man (also a pro-Soviet politician in his younger years and probably a crook, but let’s forget this) against a mentally impaired man (who could get a few life sentences were he not that important) look disgusting.
It would be an win to just mention a few things, but there are issues with it that would deter people than no person would mention.
