Me and my girlfriend pretty often have heated but respectful political discussions and recently we were discussing Stalin. She thinks that he was awful, mainly because of repressions, cult of personality etc.

When I say that repressions were actually good and Stalin didn’t kill enough fuckers, she gets a little angry, but I can’t seem to explain my position in great detail because of lack of knowledge.

In the case of the cult of personality, I say that Stalin WAS loved by the majority of soviet citizens because he did a shit ton of good for them, but she still doesn’t quite get it.

What arguments would you suggest to use, or maybe something to read in order to deepen my knowledge on the topic?

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
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    It’s always an uphill battle because people are way too conquered ideologically, but what i always point out is that the USSR under his leadership defeated Nazi Germany and that is something they cannot take away from him.

    Would these western leftists have praised Stalin if he didn’t push for rapid industrialization and forced collectivization, and ultimately lead to the USSR being enslaved by Nazi Germany?

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      Would these western leftists…

      Yes. The western left loves the communists who were crushed.

      You would hear “Stalin would have built a much better nation than Mao did.” Just like you hear about Trotsky.

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      and that is something they cannot take away from him.

      I tried pointing that out to a family member and guess what - they did just take it away from Stalin by repeating the same tired bullshit that the USSR wouldn’t have lasted without western help and so it was the western allies that really beat the nazis. Which is factually wrong and implies Soviet lives were worthless (could US guns shoot on their own?), but that’s what you get when arguing with racists

      But even for less reactionary people, defending Stalin is the final boss of deprogramming them