So I took the plunge and installed Fedora Silverblue because of all that immutable buzz. And it’s the most frustrating change I have made in almost 20 years of my distrohopping.

After installing Silverblue I configured it as usual. I installed necessary flatpaks, played with toolbox and distrobox, installed codecs, configured my bluetooth keyboard and other stuff in /etc and /var. Applied some useful tweaks I found on the web and… well… everything works. Nothing to do anymore. No issues. Nothing breaks, no dependency hell, everything runs smooth. I have nothing to tweak, tinker or configure anymore. So frustrating.

Every update is just… meh. Smooth, new, fresh system not affected by my stupid tweaking and breaking. Booooring.

I don’t have to distrohop anymore. If I want other distros I can just install them in distrobox. Other versions of apps? Something from AUR perhaps…? No problem. What’s the point of distrohopping now? Other DEs? I just rebase my system to other images with almost any DE or WM I want without losing data or messing everything up (damn you, UBlue!).

I don’t even have to reinstall the damn thing cause every time I update the system or rebase it to another image it’s like reinstalling it.

Silverblue killed distrohopping for me. Really frustrating.

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    Congratulations. You have completed Linux. Please prepare a usb installer for Haiku to move on to the next step of your jouney.

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    11 months later …

    NixOS looks interesting whoosh sucked into a warp

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    Can you still install extensions in GNOME? I hate the defaults

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    After beginning to wrap my head around atomic immutable OSes, I can’t believe they’re not the standard for most servers. i can’t believe Debian doesn’t have an official atomic and immutable version yet, seems exactly like the kind of stability they aim for

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    Two days ago my Mint system got borked by a kernel update. I booted from the grub menu with the prior kernel, and rolled back with Timeshift. Pretty painless. You don’t need Atomic/immutable distros for that sort of reliability.

    I’m playing with kinoite in a VM, though.

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      Depends what you break. Sure kernels are easy to fix like you mention, but what if you bork your display manager?

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        Can’t you run timeshift from a live usb? Never tried, but i believe its possible. Obviously more time consuming and bothersome, but possible.

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          I actually don’t know whether timeshift can just run easily from a live USB, but I don’t see why not.

          But of course that also requires you to have installed and set up timeshift before (which is obviously a good idea)

          It’s quite a different deal when the whole operating system it built around a timeshift-like concept.

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    I’m in the same boat, Kinoite (or rather my own blue build of it) killed my distro-hopping. But fans of Arch might be interested in the upcoming immutable arch-based OS: BlendOS

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        Thanks! I had not heard about it.

        It seems to only consider GNOME as the official DE and seem to not have the “blend” integrations of different distro.

        Might not be for me but I appreciate the reply and it might help others.

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    I’ve been running Bazzite based on silverblue on my desktop for remote gaming and dockering. Everything was amazing until I started doing some mid-level docker stuff because of the rigidity of the distro.

    Podman largely works but since it’s rootless it won’t have access to mounted drives easily due to SELinux.

    Mounting a drive automatically wasn’t intuitive either and I ended up editing the /etc/fstab manually.

    Setting up a swapfile was also tedious, I needed more than 8GB so I made a 32GB swapfile but I still had to run a sudo command on startup since I’m not really confident with creating a systemd service on an immutable distro.

    All in all I should have just gone for Nobara or a regular Fedora but that’s because I have a really edge use-case.

    That being said I still highly recommend it. It’s stable, easy to “rebase-hop” and everything just works well and it’s very stable. I’d recommend it for pretty much anyone unless you’re going to do some heavy self hosting with multiple HDs.

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    I don’t fully understand how silverblue and kinoite are different, but I feel this way with base Fedora KDE. I’ve never broken it even a little bit when that used to be common with Ubuntu based distros for whatever reason.

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      Silverblue and Kionite are both Ublue distros, one has gnome and other KDE. One nice thing is that you can just swap between gnome and KDE without breaking anything via rebasing.

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        I wrote a thing about this earlier: Fedora has apparently been infected with an advertising department. Their website has a lot of branding and buzzwords and wanketeering and very few technical details. It never says the word Gnome anywhere. You just have to know “Workstation” and “Silverblue” mean Gnome.

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          I don’t know tons of the detail but I understand the principle. The immutable part of the system is really just an applied oci container image for any ublue based distro.

          Certain mount points are writable and persisted (e.g. /home), but otherwise you can just reimage the entire system with any compatible (ublue based) image. Then each image is built by layering changes using ostree. So that’s how you get the different distros.

          Silverblue is ublue with gnome, kinoite is ublue with KDE, Bazzite layers steam, proprietary Nvidia drivers and other stuff mainly gaming related, etc.

          System updates (which tend to be regular) are just applying an updated image, so actually updating is effectively the same as rebasing.

          You can also yourself add ostree layers on top of the base image, and if you rebase to a different one your layers get reapplied on top.

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        They are both official Fedora Atomic Images. Universal Blue is another team that makes alternative Fedora Atomic Images like Bluefin, Aurora, and Bazzite.