How Mozilla Ruined Firefox
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Firefox used to be on top of the world with almost a third of all internet users using Firefox. These days, they make up a pitiful 2.7% of the market share. ...

Actually pretty good video.

  • Search engine
  • Google location service instead of their own (which they quit)
  • FakeSpot & Pocket collecting crazy personalized data

Also info about difference between Mozilla Corporation and MZLA Nonprofit.

If you donate to Mozilla, nothing goes to Firefox. Instead they host petitions and beg big tech companies to be more transparent.

They dont focus on old users at all, and it seems they are unable to implement basic stuff.

I still recommend using Firefox, but with the Arkenfox userJS.

Or just use Librewolf.

Firefox is not usable. And dont donate to Mozilla I guess.

  • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
    1413·
    8 months ago

    Go to hell Mozilla. I couldn’t care less if your browser fails at this point.

    Amen. I use Firefox, but not because it’s great or anything. It’s just because Chrome/Chromium is worse in just about every aspect I care about. Seriously, I hope Mozilla dies so that it can be reborn by a different org that gives a fuck about browsers, because Mozilla sure as hell doesn’t.

    Mozilla only wants that sweet Google money they get paid to be the only “mainstream” alternative (500 million dollars per year). They could make the greatest opensource alternative browser and experience out there with that money, but instead they pay their CEO at least 5 million a year.

    Fuck Mozilla.

    Anti Commercial-AI license

    • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
      14·
      8 months ago

      Seriously, I hope Mozilla dies so that it can be reborn by a different org that gives a fuck about browsers, because Mozilla sure as hell doesn’t.

      And why do you think that would happen as opposed to Chromium just becoming the only browser engine available?

        • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
          14·
          8 months ago

          To be able to claim they’re not a monopoly. But I’m not sure what you’re getting at. You want Google to create a new org to compete with Chromium after Mozilla dies? That seems neither realistic nor something to hope for.

          • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
            26·
            8 months ago

            To be able to claim they’re not a monopoly.

            Precisely. They are afraid of being perceived as a monopoly because of the consequences that come with that. Microsoft suffered it before with Internet Explorer and other products. The US DOJ is currently suing Apple/Malus for monopolistic practices. The EU passed multiple acts against large tech companies this year and has been on their heels for years now.

            There currently is no well-funded effort to compete with Chome/Chromium that seriously cares about dethroning it. Were that to disappear, even the illusion of competition would too and suddenly Google’s direct siphon of private data could become the focus of 2 major economic regions.

            You want Google to create a new org to compete with Chromium after Mozilla dies?

            Nope. It wouldn’t help Google at all if they themselves created a new org. Lawyers wouldn’t be dumb enough to fall for shadow competition (at least I hope not).

            I want a new org to be established by people who actually give a shit about competing with Google, not just sucking on Google’s tit and living off of their bare existence.

            Anti Commercial-AI license

            • dsemy@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              8 months ago

              Check out the Ladybird browser (by the same people making SerenityOS), it’s a new browser with its own engine. It’s already functional enough for me to use it to post this comment (though it is still in very early development).

              • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
                12·
                8 months ago

                I saw that a while ago and two things made me go “nah”:

                • it’s C++ . 70% of CVEs on Chromium are related to C++ and faulty memory management. Google is actively trying to get away from it and these guys are building a brand new browser in it. There’s Rust, Go, and probably other memory safe systems programming languages to use for this
                • Discord for support - no thanks

                I appreciate that it was probably started in 2018 or something when other memory safe programming languages weren’t as popular, but it simply isn’t for me.

                Anti Commercial-AI license

                • dsemy@lemm.eeEnglish
                  21·
                  8 months ago

                  They’re building their own memory safe language, Jakt, but it’s not mature enough to be used by Ladybird yet. Dismissing it at such an early point for this reason is pretty dumb IMO, especially considering this is by far the most complete alternative browser engine, and it’s getting better at a very rapid pace.

                  You’re right about Discord though…

                  edit: BTW, I’d wager the complexity of Chrome’s code base is still largely responsiblefor the introduction of bugs, even if most are of a certain type. Ladybird is extremely simple in comparison.

    • lemmyreaderEnglish
      121·
      8 months ago

      Go to hell Mozilla. I couldn’t care less if your browser fails at this point.

      I share this sentiment to some point. Mozilla taking millions from Google, and making it difficult for users to DeGoogle or remove the sponsored shortcuts from their Firefox browser. But hard forking Firefox will not be a light weight task for a new project to take on for a long time. I hope the stronger pushing of ads by Google in the Chrome/Chromium browser will make some more people switch back to Firefox.

      • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
        41·
        8 months ago

        I dont think Mozilla makes degoogling hard. It is very easy to keep track of the changes and simply flip some switches.

        But it is of course ironic that their product is useless.

        People used Firefox because Internet Explorer sucked. Now they get ads for Chrome everywhere, have Android and whatnot devices, and Edge is working okay.

        People are using devices as appliances, they dont expect needing to repair something they bought new.

        • lemmyreaderEnglish
          6·
          8 months ago

          I dont think Mozilla makes degoogling hard. It is very easy to keep track of the changes and simply flip some switches.

          Some switched ? Have you checked all the connections a Firefox browser makes ? In case you didn’t know Mozilla push notifications is hosted on a Google server.

          • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
            8·
            8 months ago

            Arkenfox, Librewolf, Torbrowser, MullvadBrowser.

            Those switches. It is not easy but it is possible, unlike on Chromium, where after applying even policies it constantly pings Google.

            • lemmyreaderEnglish
              4·
              8 months ago

              Arkenfox, Librewolf, Torbrowser, MullvadBrowser. Those switches.

              I stand corrected.

      • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
        27·
        8 months ago

        But hard forking Firefox will not be a light weight task for a new project to take on for a long time.

        This is why I’m not hoping for a fork. I’m hoping for the old to die and a new one to be reborn from the ashes of the old one. Mozilla must die in order for Firefox to become great again.

        Maybe the firefox developers don’t know where to go to, or it would be inconvenient for them to leave. Maybe they just need a new home at a new foundation, that makes it easy and compelling for them to switch. But the death of Mozilla would be a very compelling reason for them to switch.

        Anti Commercial-AI license

        • lemmyreaderEnglish
          4·
          8 months ago

          Maybe the firefox developers don’t know where to go to, or it would be inconvenient for them to leave. Maybe they just need a new home at a new foundation, that makes it easy and compelling for them to switch. But the death of Mozilla would be a very compelling reason for them to switch.

          I sincerely hope you’re right, and we’ll see a new and truly privacy friendly Firefox, and the decay of Google Chrome.

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.netOP
      51·
      8 months ago

      It really is crazy if you see the hype for the “sovereign tech fund” for GNOME, that was literally just 1mio€.

      It is so insane how people can waste so much money.

      When donating, nowadays I am often very certain that giving money to homeless people will always be better than giving it random “nonprofit” “charities” that will simply sustain their 1st world lifes as “operation expenses”.

      • HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth
        1·
        8 months ago

        I don’t remember exactly what i’ve seen but it’s was a research on how many non-profit org and the like you could really trust and it’s like 10 for all the thousand there is