well fucking DUH

Canada is facing a number of destabilizing forces — like climate change, disinformation, and young adults never owning a home. That’s the take from an internal RCMP report called the Whole-Of-Government Five-Year Trends For Canada. The report is a “scanning exercise” on evolving risks for law enforcement to monitor. It puts the fact that many people under 35 will never own a home, on par with disinformation and climate change.

Police Worry Canada May Be Destabilized If Young People Realize They Won’t Own A Home

One of the concerns law enforcement is warning about is the impact of eroding economic conditions. Especially when it comes to young adults.

“The coming period of recession will also accelerate the decline in living standards that the younger generations have already witnessed compared to earlier generations,” reads the report.

Canada may have seen a pandemic economic boom, but it was largely related to rapidly appreciating real estate. Unfortunately, that doesn’t apply to young adults who saw housing get further out of reach.

“For example, many Canadians under 35 are unlikely to ever buy a place to live. The fallout from this decline in living standards will be exacerbated by the difference between the extremes of wealth, which is greater now in developed countries than it has been at any time in several generations,” warns the RCMP.

Wealth disparity is bad enough, but what happens when that wealth disparity is driven by shelter disparity? It’s a problem not typically seen in advanced economies at scale.

The writing is really on the wall now. And yet, the working class sleeps…

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      342 months ago

      canada plays the progressive moral high ground to whitewash their broken capital flow magnet scheme.

      It is not that hard to look good on the outside when your neighbour is the US

      • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]
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        322 months ago

        I had such a rosy view of Canada before I lived there (just the usual ignorant American idealism about how its a land of free healthcare and better environmental stewardship and better relations with indigenous people…). The US is not a paragon of indigenous relations by any means but holy shit the way that First Nations people are treated in the field I work in as far as “government to government” relations go is absurdly racist and paternalistic compared to how it works in the US (again, not that murica is a model for this in any way).

    • CindyTheSkull [she/her, comrade/them]
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      162 months ago

      Wait, really? I must be missing something here. Even though it’s surprising to me, I can believe that Canada is actually a bit worse off than the US with respect to housing prices. But not only is this a drastic difference (hundreds of percent), this graph implies that from 1989 to 2005 and again from 2008 until covid, the US had a higher real disposable income than the real housing prices and that disposable income vs housing prices in the US have been pretty much in parity the whole time. Is it something like the wealthiest percentiles are skewing the data for the US to make it appear like people in general can afford homes? (GDP shows the economy is great actually!) If that’s the case, why isn’t the same true of the Canadian data set?

      • glans [it/its]
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        112 months ago

        i’m not sure what the y-axis is meant to indicate. looks like the whole graph is a % compared to 1975? but the absolute values of the red and blue line might not have been the same to begin with. I guess you’d have to ask the Dallas Federal Reserve which is the source?

  • Dessa [she/her]
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    572 months ago

    I’ve become suspicious of the words “disinformation” and “misinformation” ever since I heard that it was the top concern of Davos attendees, above climate change or war. I fear it’s becoming a dogwhistle to mean leftist politics.

  • Beaver [he/him]
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    562 months ago

    It’s really funny that a country with as much timber and land as Canada is going to let it’s whole economy get devoured by housing shortages.

    • @reverendz@lemmygrad.ml
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      352 months ago

      The vast majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the US border.

      It’s bloody cold up there.

      Source: self (who has visited many times) and all my mums family who live in Canada.

      Also, Canada has become something of a US vassal state. As much as the general population may complain about Americans (and they do) their politics has become a fun house mirror image of the US. They’re neo-liberaling just as hard, if not harder than us. The only real difference is, some guy managed to get universal health care passed in the 50s, or they’d frankly be much worse off than they are now.

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    522 months ago

    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

  • @MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com
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    The US The American Dream of owning a home was to put mortgages on the backs of Americans to fight the Red Scare of the 1920s.

    Because people with mortgages don’t go on strike or protest.

    Drink deep, Canada.

    • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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      402 months ago

      the first time I was told this it changed the way I think about everything, I felt like such a sucker buying into it

      • tombruzzo [none/use name]
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        372 months ago

        Debt has a crazy strong influence on people. David Graeber’s book on debt talks about how it has been a major influence on just about every event in history

      • ReallyZen
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        What if… You couldn’t afford to get indebted?

        I agree with your control scheme being accurate (tho I tend to extend it to simpler materialistic appetites, “bread and games” style), nowadays the scheme of ownership has changed to fully irrational. And this is destroying the idea of a careful proletariat working their wages towards their mortgages.

        I would fully agree on the idea that owning a house is unnecessary in many cases, but for this to work you need affordable rents. And that’s where the next crisis is.

        I guess short-time, for the ownership class, it’s bringing in good money and obedience all the same, since making rent has become a stressful necessity, unlike owning your own roof.

  • carpoftruth [any, any]M
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    492 months ago

    In a more extreme example, there was the Chinese Land Reform Movement. In both cases, the extraction pushed people to a point where they had little to lose—and people with no vested interest in an economy tend to become liabilities.

    Huh interesting, I wonder how that worked out for them

      • Abracadaniel [he/him]
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        342 months ago

        The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
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    482 months ago

    The rcmp doesn’t really need to be afraid of that. The Canadian population will just blame immigration like every western countries with a housing crisis.

    • bigboopballs [he/him]OP
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      192 months ago

      yeah, Canadians are mostly just going to roll over and take it. But I guess the RCMP still want to be able to contain and control what little violence comes about from it.

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      422 months ago

      It’ll be mask off fascists followed by riots in the cities and armed indigenous protests.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      162 months ago

      Chrystia Freeland, the deputy pm of Kkklanada, is like a third or fourth generation Ukrainian Nazi. Stays pretty quite about it, but she’s slipped up from time to time and let us glimpse behind the mask.

    • DayOfDoom [any, any]
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      302 months ago

      Canadians are fucking morons, yes. We have like 3 media monopolies that dominate all political thought for 99.9% of the population.

        • fox [comrade/them]
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          92 months ago

          Canada is just America with shitty universal healthcare and even more aggressive resource extraction, so whatever produces communists will be similar in both societies, so you could safely expect 1/10 users to be canadian

          • even more aggressive resource extraction,

            What makes ye say that?

            Btw, if a revolution happens, we might as well seize Canada first as a small experiment to see if the U.S will come at us…

            • fox [comrade/them]
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              82 months ago

              Canada has some of the loosest mining regulations in the world, and so many of the companies that clear cut the Amazon, strip mine it for ore, and dump heavy metals into rivers are all HQed in Canada. The Canadian economy is poorly diversified with big chunks represented by mining and forestry. Canada has frequently run into conflict with native tribes by trying to force them off the land they were forced onto so Canada can build pipelines or clear cut old growth forests.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      42 months ago

      When did the ‘are they stupid?’ memes stsrt taking off and is it a reference to Patrick’s line in a SpongeBob episode? Cause if thars the case I’m like 20 years ahead in this one

      • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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        72 months ago

        I believe it’s from a Breaking Bad shitposting subreddit, but it really took off from a Batman shitpost “Why doesn’t Batman just call the Justice League for help? Is he stupid?” Re: the plot of Batman Arkham.

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          22 months ago

          Okay, cause I’ve been doing it IRL and I got it from the SpongeBob episode Bye Bye Bivalve which is where the diapers meme came from as well, so maybe it’s connected.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    422 months ago

    The funniest version of this take I’ve ever seen is Jordan Peterson saying that wealth inequality causes societies to collapse without fail, and when asked what should be done about it he just says “I don’t know”. Like, hmm, we could literally take the money from the rich and give it to the poor to level out the wealth gap but no that isn’t what lobsters would do so I guess we better just have society collapse.

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      He can’t say it because he lives in toronto, especially a gentrified area of the cities that used to be a spot for artists and students. It is also the place where they shot the Scott Pilgrim live action.

      It would be against his personal interests. Also, his fanbase already made their mind on who to blame for those crisis (it is not economical or systemic)

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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      92 months ago

      MFW Pordan Jeterson accidentally disproved his own hierarchy good thing by pointing out egalitarianism’s superiority.

  • MF_COOM [he/him]
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    422 months ago

    Ok. That’s good though. It’s good that Canadians represent a major threat to the status quo of Canada. Ffs they even say in the article that wealth disparity is completely fucked thinking it’s bad that there’s a threat to that system is completely incoherent.

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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      262 months ago

      I’m not Canadian, but I cannot stress enough to any Canadians to start organizing and talking to regular people. If you don’t, the fascists will and they already have a head start.

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        communists in the west need to actually read some Mao, internalise it, and start engaging with the masses and learning from them instead of just putting stickers up around university campuses and worshipping white labour-aristocrats. Chapter 11 of Quotations and also Oppose Book Worship.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      72 months ago

      The real reason the government has been cracking down on private ownership of firearms - they know how bad it is and how bad it’s gonna get.

  • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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    Let me guess, this is how it goes:

    porky-happy: “Well I suppose that’s a risk I’ll have to take! Just tell them the browns and the Jews did it, works every time!”

    Sometimes makes me want to move to kkkanada as a burger, and then every time you hear them blame immigrants. I point out “but I’m an immigrant and you’re fine with me!”.

    • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]
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      312 months ago

      Trust me, most Klanadians aren’t gonna get caught in that trap

      When they blame immigrants it will be with some of the most mask off racism you’ve ever heard. Only country I know where people have racial slur nicknames for half the cities in the province

    • Greenleaf [he/him]
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      192 months ago

      I’ve already seen reactionaries on social media spread the notion that undocumented workers are the reason house prices in the US are so high (because of course, the most marginalized and vulnerable people are the ones who just get boatloads of handouts from the government…)

      • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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        192 months ago

        This is always so crazy to me as someone who knows immigrants in the US. These people live anywhere from 2-4 families in a single house just to pay the rent. They are not balling by any means.

  • Hexbear2 [any]
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    252 months ago

    Have Canadian police been reading about degrading material conditions leading to revolution?