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    3 months ago

    to clarify:

    The developers of the Alpine Linux-based postmarketOS mobile distribution today that they’re now supporting the systemd init system alongside OpenRC and other alternative init systems.

    and:

    postmarketOS currently supports the Sxmo, Phosh, GNOME Shell on Mobile, and KDE Plasma Mobile UIs. While the Sxmo images will stay with OpenRC, the GNOME and KDE Plasma Mobile images will be built on top of systemd

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    3 months ago

    thank christ, it sucks to see projects let perfection be the enemy of good.

    a project can be as ideologically pure as it wants, but it’s not gonna accomplish much if that handicaps it out of anyone seriously using it.

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    3 months ago

    Great, this should help attract the mainstream linux user more

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    PostmarketOS has had really strange priorities lately. I’m not a fan of the whole ethos of Ubuntu mobile (including their use of SystemD) but at least they have stuck to actually getting every feature working on some devices with reasonable specs. My computer uses KDE and OpenRC and has far fewer issues than it did on SystemD. This feels like a waste of resources to reinvent the wheel.

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      Reinventing the wheel is what they were doing without Systemd.
      On their announcement they cite various instances of having to write polyfills and ending up with basically ‘Systemd at home’ but buggier.

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        Reinventing the wheel is what they were doing without Systemd.

        Weird. We had those wheels before Lennart’s cancer showed up.

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          No, init systems sucked before. It was a bunch of poorly documented and poorly managed shell scripts

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          I honestly don’t know why you were downvoted so much. You could have get very different responses in a different forum.

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          Now, Microsoft employee. And everybody is OK with that. New generations suck.

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      The project is in an too early phase to debate over SystemD. Can you guys please hold back with these arguments until pmOS reaches at least 4% market share.

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        There is no minimum market share threshold to discuss the way the software you use is being developed and PostmarketOS will not reach 4% in the foreseeable future (and it probably never will). Desktop Linux only just reached that threshold after decades of work and systemd arguments have been happening for years regardless. The conditions for mobile Linux are considerably less favorable. If we can’t discuss systemd until 4% is reached, we can’t discuss systemd ever. Which is fair, because the systemd horse has already been beaten to death at this point. But not because it hasn’t reached some arbitrary 4% threshold. That makes no sense.

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          If we can’t discuss systemd until 4% is reached, we can’t discuss systemd ever. Which is fair, because the systemd horse has already been beaten to death at this point.

          Exactly :)

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        Well you’re right but the more postmarketOS grows, the harder it is to switch to another init system

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          They are giving options, no one is forced anything. People should complain upstream at init systems and desktopmobile environments.

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            It does have disadvantages. The only real advantage of it is the completeness of system administration tools. Since they aren’t that much needed on a phone and the performance of that class of devices is not groundbreaking, using another init system is a good idea. Though it depends on what the specific user wants of course. As long as there is a way to change the init system, it shouldn’t be a problem

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                  Systemd was created to allow parallel initialization, which other init systems lacked. If you want proof that one processor core is slower than one + n, you don’t need to compare init systems to do that.

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            Systemd is the standard for a reason.

            1. bad build process
            2. ignoring best practice
            3. RedHat forcing it on the planet
            4. people forgetting that every deliverable of systemd is a lie.
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      ive been working on migrating away from systemd myself, so much headaches. I like the services setup, but man the issues can sometimes be baffling

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        Isn’t Linux without systemd just a hobbyists niche exercise in masturbation though, let’s be real.