• livus
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    Ukraine needs to be helped but I hate the CIA habit of “secretly helping”, it got us everything from Saddam Hussein to Operation Condor fo the assassination of Patrice Lumumba.

    Won’t be surprised if in 20 years time we learn that it was more “secret helping” that got Ukraine invaded in the first place.

    • @WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      103 months ago

      Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz conducted more than 200 interviews in Ukraine, several other European countries and the United States to report this story.

      I have a lot of questions about this story. If the CIA leaked it on purpose, then this feels like misinformation or misdirection to fool somebody. If the CIA didn’t want this out, then how were they unaware that over 200 people had been interviewed about it? If it is all true, then isn’t this reporting putting lives at risk by identifying features that could pinpoint the location of Ukrainian intelligence operatives?

      Something is weird here.

      • @treadful@lemmy.zip
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        63 months ago

        It definitely seems intentional. Though I wouldn’t really suspect it to be misinformation, especially with such thorough reporting. More like posturing, signalling, or other diplomatic games.

        It’s also likely Russia already knows most or all of this.

      • @popcap200
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        I thought it was basically an open secret the US was helping with intelligence and planning.

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    33 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Mr. Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the C.I.A., together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.

    In Kyiv, Mr. Nalyvaichenko picked a longtime aide, General Kondratiuk, to serve as head of counterintelligence, and they created a new paramilitary unit that was deployed behind enemy lines to conduct operations and gather intelligence that the C.I.A.

    The new station chief began regularly visiting General Kondratiuk, whose office was decorated with an aquarium where yellow and blue fish — the national colors of Ukraine — swam circles around a model of a sunken Russian submarine.

    also oversaw a training program, carried out in two European cities, to teach Ukrainian intelligence officers how to convincingly assume fake personas and steal secrets in Russia and other countries that are adept at rooting out spies.

    One day after General Kondratiuk was removed, a mysterious explosion in the Russian-occupied city of Donetsk, in eastern Ukraine, ripped through an elevator carrying a senior Russian separatist commander named Arsen Pavlov, known by his nom de guerre, Motorola.

    In the southern Kherson region, which was occupied by Russia in the first weeks of the war, those partisan networks sprang into action, according to General Kondratiuk, assassinating local collaborators and helping Ukrainian forces target Russian positions.


    The original article contains 4,968 words, the summary contains 246 words. Saved 95%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • @salvador@lemmy.world
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    They’ve just confirmed themselves that the reason that Russia started the war for has been legit and justifiable all along. As well as the words of Russia which has said this dozens of the times.

    Better off and easier for Putin, from now on.

    • @Fades@lemmy.world
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      First off, no they haven’t lmao

      And second, even if it were true, that totally justifies genocide? What about all the other countries that Putin is eyeing next?

      • @naturalgasbad@lemmy.caOP
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        23 months ago

        Gaza, a literal genocide, documented for the world to see: DON’T WORRY GUYS NOTHING TO SEE HERE

        Ukraine, an overt military action, but for which civilian casualties have been remarkably restrained (in comparison to Gaza, in comparison to Mosul, even in comparison to Iraq): GENOCIDE GENOCIDE READ ALL ABOUT IT

        nice.

  • @naturalgasbad@lemmy.caOP
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    For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.

    Maidan Revolution: February 2014

    Today: February 2024

    Thanks for the confirmation of what we all knew already: that the US was directly involved in instigating and supporting colour revolution in Ukraine to counter Russia.

    • Remmock
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      You can’t create what isn’t there. There’s a whole history of political abuse that festered. The CIA capitalized on that, they didn’t just waltz in February 2014 and say: “How about let’s have a revolution, eh guys?”

        • Skua
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          …this a link to a comment you posted, not OP, and it’s linking an article that is specifically telling the tale of the CIA’s complete failure to instigate a revolution from nothing

    • RubberDuck
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      Yeah, that’s not what it said. You are making a connection that is not there and repeating a putinist talking point.