We are doing the following thought experiment in the steps described below, with some instructions as well.
instructions have to be followed for the experiment to be completed, or else you are not really considering what is written below…
…so if that is the case for you, and you didn’t follow the instructions below,
please don’t waste our time and effort with your reply about something, that you could have posted as a subject on its own elsewhere…
1.Imagine that you do something,
instructions 1: feel free to imagine, following the steps and instructions below from beginning until the end.
Clarifications…
follow the instructions from beginning until the end, and don’t waste my time and effort.
2.You do this something that you imagine in two different ways from its beginning until its end
instructions 2: you can come back to me with two stories, each with a beginning and and end, about something done in two different ways from its beginning until its end.
Clarifications…
Two stories that start and end, don’t waste my time and effort, and follow the instructions from beginning until the end.
Where the instruction don’t limit you, there you are free to imagine.
3.First you do it with money from its beginning until its end
*instructions 3:*Trade is happening in the first story with money.
Clarifications…
This means that, either you do something for another, and another gives the agreed amount of money to you,
or another does something for you, and you give another the agreed amount of money to another…and the agreed amount of money…
is the amount of money you and another…agreed in order to trade.
Example…
Why the below is provided as an example, in case it offends you, you will find out in number 4.
e.g. prostitution is legal in the place where this example…takes place, and you or another give money to the other one in exchange for sex.
4.Secondly you do it without money from its beginning until its end
*instructions 4:*Trade is happening in the second story without money.
Clarifications…
This mean that, you do this for another and another does that for you, this and that is whatever it is for the specific occasion and instance, and money isn’t involved between the two of you, in the second story.
Also this means that the stories you can come back to me are one story with trade and money
and the other story also with trade but without money…so follow the instructions, and don’t waste my time and effort.
Example…
And now time has come to find out why prostitution was discussed in number 4, with the following example.
e.g. you and another have sex, and money isn’t involved in this example.
You and another freely chose to have sex with one another, and freely chose not to use money.
Why this example is used in number 5., you will find out in number 6.
- For the second way when you do it without money, you have to spend less time and effort to do it, from its beginning until its end
*instructions 5:*In the first story when you do it with money, you have to spend more time and effort to do it, from its beginning until its end
Example…
Time to find out the difference between 4. and 5. with the following example.
e.g. You have sex with another, another is your partner in life, and after sex…
having heard that that money means , store of value, medium of exchange, unit of account…
you decide to give to another, who is your partner in life, after you had sex with one another…money…
so as to show the value of another to you, for the exchange that took place, with a real unit of account…
What do you think another would do, especially if you were a man and another was a woman…and you gave to a woman who was your partner in life, money after having sex with her, in order to thank her for having sex with you?
Still unconvinced?.. ok, let’s move one…
- I wonder would you say you are using your money wisely?
Clarifications…
follow the instructions from beginning until the end, and don’t waste my time and effort.
- Because if you would, wait a minute before you start replying, and listen to me.
In both stories that you can come back to me, you are trading with another.
In one of the stories, you have to spend more time and effort, to do what you freely imagined you do with another, plus you have to also use money on top of having to spend more time and effort to do it, unlike the way you do it in the other story.
In the other story, you have to spend less time and effort, to do what you freely imagined you do with another, and as you also have to not use money in the second story, you don’t have to spend time and effort to use money, unlike the way you do it in one of the stories.
- So it seems to me that the other story, and not one of the stories, is what you would be looking for…if it seems sensible to you to spend less time and effort, and not get caught up in one of those stories…you know the ones I’m talking about, no?.. if not, I am talking about one of the stories where you have to spend endless time and effort even for the simplest of things.
“Hey, I don’t understand the above, what’s the summary?”, one may ask.
Money reduces the time and effort people have to spend to trade with one another.
Clarifications for the “I don’t understand” one.
When one is wasting one’s money, it is up to that one to find this out in the end for oneself.
- When the way one uses money increases the time and effort one has to spend to do what one wants to do, one is wasting either one’s money, or another one’s money, or the rest one’s money.
Clarifications for the “I don’t understand, and I am offended” one.
When one is wasting another one’s money, another one doesn’t want to waste another one’s time and effort, and tries to avoid trading with one, and trades…with another one.
- And in the end, how all have to remember the above, is…
When some are wasting the rest of our money, it is up to the rest of us to show to some that we don’t want some to be wasting our time and effort with their endless nonsense stories about what money does, because…
Clarifications for everyone.
Money reduces the time and effort people have to spend to trade with one another,
or people are wasting each other’s time and effort spending their money…
…and then they have the nerve to call what they are doing trading with one another
Up to now, some people don’t know how to not waste one another’s time and effort, it seems to me,
and they add money on top of that, as if that would make their case better…
… how about they put some time and effort thinking now, so that they don’t end up wasting our time and effort, because money reduces the time and effort people have to spend to trade with one another.
**Why would you say all the above? ** Cause,
**1. first way to explain ** What is it that people wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but that exactly?
And what is it that people using money…wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but what money does when money is used sensibly?
And in the end, what is it that people don’t understand , when they hear that they have to not waste others’ time and effort when they are using money, as …
Money has to not increase the time and effort for what it is used to do, when it is used sensibly.
**2. second way to explain ** Player do you know what money does…
Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…
Money reduces the time and effort to trade…
Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort.
Have you ever really thought of that?
3. third way to explain For example… Imagine you order take away from the same place many times, and lately it takes longer and longer for the food to arrive, and the food may start getting a bit cold…and it doesn’t seem to be getting better in the future, but the prices don’t change…
…do you start getting a feeling this might be a waste of your time and effort or not?
Generally Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?
****4. final way to explain ****
When something makes sense, it makes sense to happen again and again in reality.
When something doesn’t make sense, it isn’t worth out time and effort…cause…
…do we REALLY HAVE TO?
CASES,
That people view similarly over some time become…
FASHIONABLE,
But ways that people view similarly
OVER AND OVER IN TIME, become…
…common sense.
I’ve reached halfway through it but sorry i really don’t understand. There’s so many numbers and self-references and i’ve found the instructions very unclear. Maybe getting an overview of the entire thought experiment would help, or condense the instructions then detailing explanations?
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Is this text more clear to understand? Some people on reddit seemed to get it.
In Kennyshire and Bennyshire, people are playing with money.
In Kennyshire, those who have money are playing with money, but they don’t want those who don’t have money to be playing with money, because those who don’t have money in Kennyshire, deserve to not have money, and their entire economy is based on that.
In Bennyshire, all people are playing with money, but in order for those who don’t have enough money to learn how to play with money, everyone wants those who make money to be able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, so that they deserve the money they make, and their entire economy is based on that.
In Kennyshire, those who don’t have money deserve to not have money, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made only by those who have money, having more money is always better than having less money for those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, money concentrates to those in society who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money and act accordingly to achieve that, and their entire economy is based on all of the above.
In Bennyshire, those who deserve the money they make, are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made according to what is common sense, having more money isn’t necessarily better than having less money, as long as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society individuals having significantly more money than the ones in the middle isn’t a problem for the economy, and their entire economy is based on all the above.
In Kennyshire, those who don’t have money deserve to not have money, and that is never a problem for the economy, but… as money concentrates to those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, the more money you have, the more freedom you have than others to make decisions regarding money, and sooner or later, for reasons of more freedom, money concentrates to only some in society and the entire economy stops working for most, until those who have money at that time start exercising their freedom to make decisions regarding money, so that the economy starts working again, after the entire economy paid the ones who had money when the economy stopped working for most but them, so that it can start working for all again…and their entire economy can’t have enough of this.
In Bennyshire, those who don’t have money deserve to learn from others how to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so and that is always a goal for the economy, or then it is a problem for the economy, but… as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society, the more money you have, the more you can prove to others that you are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and in case that it happens, for whatever reason it may happen, that money concentrates to only some in society and that the entire economy has problems for whatever reasons this may happen, those who have money at that time start proving to all who among them is good at making money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and who is causing problems for the entire economy, so that the problems are solved, before the entire economy has to pay the ones who had money when the economy started having problems, as then the ones who had money at that time wouldn’t really be good at making money in Bennyshire and then they wouldn’t really deserve to be considered good at making money in Bennyshire…and their entire economy can’t have enough of this.
Why would you say all the above? Cause,
- first way to explain What is it that people wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but that exactly?
And what is it that people using money…wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but what money does when money is used sensibly?
And in the end, what is it that people don’t understand , when they hear that they have to not waste others’ time and effort when they are using money, as …
Money has to not increase the time and effort for what it is used to do, when it is used sensibly.
- second way to explain Player do you know what money does…
Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…
Money reduces the time and effort to trade…
Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort.
Have you ever really thought of that?
- third way to explain
For example…
Imagine you order take away from the same place many times, and lately it takes longer and longer for the food to arrive, and the food may start getting a bit cold…and it doesn’t seem to be getting better in the future, but the prices don’t change…
…do you start getting a feeling this might be a waste of your time and effort or not?
Generally
Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.
Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?
- final way to explain When something makes sense, it makes sense to happen again and again in reality.
When something doesn’t make sense, it isn’t worth out time and effort…cause…
…do we REALLY HAVE TO?
CASES,
That people view similarly over some time become…
FASHIONABLE,
But ways that people view similarly
OVER AND OVER IN TIME, become…
…common sense.
everyone wants those who make money to be able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, so that they deserve the money they make
Sorry but i have no idea what this means (not a native speaker). I understand Kennyshire is a metaphor for capitalism, but i don’t understand what Bennyshire proposes and how it works. Thanks for trying!
Money reduces the time and effort to trade…
I’m personally for the abolition of money because it does exactly the opposite. It’s a layer of indirection which gets in the way when you need access to resources/services.
there are people who make money over and over in a way that moth people would say is fair, and there are others who waste our time and effort…
Nice.
