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There is no active threat to the community
Except from the COPS WHO KEEP FUCKING SHOOTING EVERYONE YOU STUPID CUNTS
I’m gonna go with: don’t send cops on welfare checks. Send somebody competent to respond to mental health challenges, preferably someone not wearing a police uniform (after all, at this point a lot of folks think “unaccountable killer” when they see that uniform and there’s honestly reason for that).
Calling the police for a wellness check is just legalized swatting…
Calling cops for welfare check is like using chainsaw to cut a pie
It’s like using a gun to make Swiss cheese!
Send somebody competent - are you sure there are enough competent people willing to this without protection?
In my experience, social worker programs are only understaffed because they are severely underfunded.
And we cycle back to “defund the police” being a bad slogan when we want to direct some of that law enforcement funding to support personal welfare
Maybe they should have borrowed corporate lingo to call for right-sizing police, or restructure community resources.
“Defund the police” is such obviously bad marketing that it makes you wonder if the people who coined the phrase were trying to help or hinder reform efforts.
The officer involved in the shooting has been placed on administrative leave, state police said.
They need to start keeping then in jail cells like they do with everyone else whi commits a homicide
That would have to be negotiated in the Police Union contracts. Same reason they can’t fire pedo teachers immediately, they are contractually obligated to keep paying them until they are investigated or found guilty.
Most of these cops “retire” to end the internal investigation and keep their benefits, then decide to “unretire”, and get hired in the next town with a clean record.
The police have one of the strongest unions in America, and almost no one bats an eye. But let Starbucks employees try to unionize and you’ll hear how greedy and corrupt unions are.
Fuck that. State or federal police should be arresting them that day. The local cops bargaining only matters because we allow it.
Most of these cops “retire” to end the internal investigation and keep their benefits, then decide to “unretire”, and get hired in the next town with a clean record.
This is honestly the only real problem imo. I get sometimes it’s a pretty obvious case, but we do still have due process and they deserve their time in court, no matter how shit they are.
If they couldn’t investigate themselves and the investigations didn’t just end when they quit, we’d be in a much better place.
Jail cell for thee, paid vacation for me 🐷
I’ll say it again and again, before you call the cops for anything, you need to remember what you’re actually doing. You are willingly inviting an armed person, who will not lose a fight or back down, who is shielded from legal consequences, into your situation.
Grandpa isn’t answering his phone or the door and you’re worried? Call a locksmith, not the cops. Cops will just kick the door or call the locksmith anyway, now you have extra problems
That’s what defund the police is about. It’s about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.
Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We’d need the conservatives to be on board and they’re not going for that shit cause they’ll stop listening as soon as they think you’re taking power away from their tastiest boots.
How about “Use the right tool for the job”?
A gun is a tool, right? Universal problem-solver!
It solved this problem!
That kid isn’t having any issues now. 100% success rate.
That’s what I keep getting told about guns.
Freedom Funding For Police Pact ought to be about right for the right leaning crowd.
Democrats fucking SUCK ASS at slogans… So many good ideas ruined by inept marketing.
Or shunting off good candidates. Bernie has been talking truth for fucking 50 years but no nomination. There’s no central talking head, no real stated goal…
I vote blue but fuck me they suck at rallying voters to a cause
Even I agree with that. And I was one of those annoying guys screaming ACAB and shit. I really wish that didn’t end up becoming the main slogan, because I really agree with the idea behind it. It’s like if pro-choice people were framing their own position as pro-killing babies on their signs and stuff.
Honestly ACAB is another badly defined slogan.
The idea was that if only 10% of cops are actually “bad” and will hurt you, if the other 90% aren’t reporting them and holding them accountable, you cant trust that ANY cop is part of that 90% because choosing wrong can end your life.
But then again you can’t explain all of that in one word lol
That’s not entirely true. Police departments demand conformity, following orders, and keeping a code of silence. Officers who tried to speak out about it in the past have been killed. While that’s the extreme end of things, it doesn’t take long to realize that being a good person and being a cop are mutually exclusive. Some departments make sure you receive morally dubious assignments during your year long probation. Assignments like arresting homeless people and destroying all of their possessions. Can you destroy someone’s life like that? If not then they flush you out and complain about an officer shortage for more money. That’s what ACAB is about. The guys who stood there and watched George Floyd get murdered are only the tip of the problem. The underwater iceberg is absolute lack of morality they show when interacting with the public.
Optics and phrasing matter. For as much criticism as Democrats get about being inept at it, ACAB and Defund show that the critics aren’t a whole lot better.
Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.
Planned parenthood
BLM
ACAB
defund the police
Communist/socialist policies
The left in general just seems terrible at this. I suspect it’s because we hold ourselves to morals.
I will say that Buttagieg had the perfect rebuttal to being called socialist – “they’re going to call us socialist anyway, that shouldn’t stop us from making socialist policies”, paraphrasing.
Hard disagree.
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Police officers getting military equipment for free.
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Police officers using gov funds to finance their own criminal activity in the name of “protecting the public”
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Police officers committing crimes and the city pays the victims
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Police officer unions protecting all bad apples. Insurance companies are struggling to reel them in. Cities are at their mercy.
Defund them. Make them pay for their own shit.
Because right now, they can absolutely fuck around with little consequences.
I mean shifting responsibility over to social workers etc for some of their jobs rn will accomplish most of that, but yes, it’s fucking insane how many war weapons they get to use on the people who literally pay for them, accountability definitely needs to be addressed as well
He wasn’t saying it was a bad idea, but that it was a bad name. You want to get something done in a democracy, you gotta get people on board. You want people on board, you gotta sell it.
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Agreed. Don’t call the cops, figure your own shit out and call the appropriate professional for your situation
Call of Duty: Modern Welfare
Can we give them the benefit of the doubt, please? They probably thought the child was a dog or a partner of theirs… #ACAB
“The Columbus Police Department was conducting a welfare check on a subject following a report of potential self-harm,” Nebraska State Patrol said in a press release.
“Mission Accomplished”
Self - ❌
Harm - ✅
Dear police: you cannot check the welfare of someone by shooting them with your gun. Thanks, ACAB.
Actually you can… It’s just that the welfare check will result with “dead”.
Schrodinger could have shot the box a bunch & figured out the cat’s welfare…
Capital punishment as social welfare.
Reminds me of that joke about the hunters in the woods.
“911, what’s your emergency?”
Help, my friend got bit by a snake and I think he’s dead!
“Keep calm, and make sure if he’s actually dead.”
BLAM
Okay, he’s definitely dead
The awfulness of the story aside, I do want to put a small bit of appreciation toward ABC News for not dropping some bullshit like “17-year-old man dead following an officer-involved shooting during a welfare check.” The voice is passive still, but at least it cuts to the point, that the kid was killed by a police officer.
My only notes are that it should say “Officer shot and killed 17-year-old while conducting a welfare check.” As it is, it’s like it’s saying the kid was shot and killed, and it just so happened to be by an officer.
My only notes are that it should say “Officer shot and killed 17-year-old while conducting a welfare check.”
I think the news would have to put allegedly in there somewhere.
No ‘allegedly’ required in the passive version, so not required in the active version
‘Allegedly’ is not required because they are quoting the state police:
A teenager was shot and killed by a police officer responding to a residence in Nebraska to conduct a welfare check, state police said.
“There is no active threat to the community, Columbus police said.”
False.
As an Ohioan this is a weird way to find out there’s a Columbus Nebraska
In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman by answering a welfare check.
In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman
FTFY
Who cares it’s not like it was a Fetus!
For some reason the police just love to murder suicidal people. I think that the brain of a conservative short circuits at the thought of it, then the monkey rage comes out.
I don’t understand the relationship between suicide and conservatives. Can you explain?
Assuming that your question was genuine (the downvoters probably assume you’re a troll), I am just philosophizing. A lot of conservatives have a complete lack of empathy for other people and will often become angry at seeing people who present as “weak”. It’s the way that bullies work–they look for the vulnerable people and target in on them for harassment. I am convinced that conservatives can’t handle the concept of suicide. They have spent their lives not really introspecting and so never have the capacity to feel that way. I feel that they react emotionally and violently to the thought, which is what leads to so many police officers simply shooting and killing people who wanted to commit suicide.
Google it, you’ll find 5-10 or so articles about this EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
I confirmed he was on welfare, so I shot him.
Cop, probably.
I mean, technically he did do a welfare check. He made sure there was no welfare whatsoever
