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The world is starting 2024 on an optimistic economic note, as inflation fades globally and growth remains more resilient than many forecasters had expected. Yet one country stands out for its surprising strength: the United States.
After a sharp pop in prices rocked the world in 2021 and 2022 — fueled by supply chain breakdowns tied to the pandemic, then oil and food price spikes related to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine — many nations are now watching inflation recede. And that is happening without the painful recessions that many economists had expected as central banks raised interest rates to bring inflation under control.
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Part of the reason that economic growth has been so surprisingly strong in the United States is simple: The American government has continued to spend a lot of money.
Government expenditures as a share of overall output hovered around 35 percent in America in the years leading up to the pandemic, based on I.M.F. data. But in 2020 and 2021, they jumped above 40 percent as the government responded to the coronavirus with about $5 trillion in relief and stimulus to people, businesses, institutions, and state and local governments.
Both states and households have only slowly spent down the savings they amassed during those pandemic years, so the money has continued to trickle through the economy like a slow-release booster shot. On top of that, government spending has remained elevated as the Biden administration has begun to make sweeping infrastructure and climate investments.
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Getting real tired of constantly seeing news articles saying “The economy is healthy! The US has never been richer.”
Meanwhile, cost of food has never been higher. Rent has never been higher. People are still getting laid off left and right.
I feel like I am being gaslit by economists. Are economists all just yes men who are afraid to tell their clients that their practices are unsustainable?
Believe it or not, layoffs are lower than average, according to data going back to 2000: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSLDL
I think it’s because layoffs (especially in tech) are getting a lot of attention in the news now.
But I agree with you about food prices.
Believe it or not, layoffs are lower than average
I mean, believe it or not the rate of people dying from infectious diseases decreased in 2020 compared to where it was at in 1918
Like, I guess I’m glad we’re doing better than 2008 and 2020 and other meltdown years like that, but with years like that weighing on the average better than average doesn’t mean much
The poster compared it to average and you spun that to bring compared to the worst years. Wow.
… administration officials say Mr. Biden is keenly aware that prices remain too elevated for many families, even as key items, like gasoline and household furnishings, are now cheaper than they were at their postpandemic peak.
And yet there is a general belief across administration officials and their allies that there is little else Mr. Biden could do unilaterally to force grocery prices down quickly.
Ugh, I swear every single issue with this administration is just “We understand there is a problem, but you can’t expect us to do anything about it!”
Really, it’s Congress who should be trying to tackle the issues but they don’t want to make decisions so they’ve basically relinquished their powers to the President who can only govern by executive decision and the Supreme Court who were supposed to be the ones making decisions on unclear laws. At the end of the day, the President only has so much power and Congress is where people are failing to do their jobs.
I am so incredibly fucking tired of hearing this bullshit excuse over and over and over. Yes, Congress sucks and should do more, no, that does not excuse the Biden administration’s unwillingness to play hard ball with investigations and law suits and executive orders and the million and two other things they could be doing.
“But the courts would ju-”
I don’t care and neither do a lot of other voters. If a court throws your executive order out, change a superficial word or two and issue it again, and make them throw it out all over again. If a court enjoins you from doing something that needs doing, put on a silly hat and keep doing it, and tell the court “no, this is totally different, I’m doing it while wearing a silly hat, your order didn’t mention anything about this silly hat.” And when they enjoin your silly hat, get a silly wig and keep doing what needs doing.
Under our current laws a determined executive branch can move a hell of a lot faster than judicial or congressional oversight can, they just need to be willing to go for it. Until I see dozens of attorneys for federal agencies sitting in jail cells for contempt of court, don’t tell me this administration is really trying because they’re just not.
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If a court enjoins you from doing something that needs doing, put on a silly hat and keep doing it, and tell the court “no, this is totally different, I’m doing it while wearing a silly hat, your order didn’t mention anything about this silly hat.” And when they enjoin your silly hat, get a silly wig and keep doing what needs doing.
Sounds like you’re okay with Fascism as long as the party you like is in power.
a) a democratically elected authoritarian government is not fascism. If I said “throw all the Mormons into prison camps and conquer Alberta for their tar sands, and if a court tells you no break out the silly hats and insinuate the judge is mormon” that would be fascism.
b) I’m not okay with it, but compared to sitting around wringing our hands while things get worse it seems like the lesser of two evils.
Yes, the lesser of two evils, the thing that brought us to our current situation in the first place. How about no evils? How about we actually hold those we elect accountable rather than just letting them throw up their hands and hope the President does something.
I know you and I are only two people but shouldn’t we encourage dialogue and finding common ground? I know one party is out of their mind right now but taking their agency from them and saying you don’t know what to do because your stupid and I know better doesn’t help, it breeds more discontent.
I think the point of that article is to point out the absurdity of the top level comment that implies these economic articles never talk about how prices are still high.
Are economists all just yes men?
He figured it out boys. Time to get a real degree, the business major scam isn’t working anymore.
Because if people stop spending out of recession fears, then the economy will trully tank.
Rich people’s yacht money is increasing, so the economy is strong. That’s where all the money is, so that’s what drives the indicators.
Economists are zealous advocates for their employers. Which is fine. If I hire a lawyer I expect them to be on my side. The only problem is when we pretend that they aren’t just saying what their employer wants them to say.
Every year is a year where costs of food and costs of living have never been higher because they never go down.
This is because you don’t realise how bad life is elsewhere. You have a good home with running water and heating. That alone is something hundreds of millions can’t even dream of. Access to fresh drinking water alone puts you, as an American, way above many people.
American population is rich as fuck compared to the rest of the world.
But according to American Community Survey (ACS) data from the Census Bureau, 522,752 US households lacked complete plumbing access in 2021. Of these households, 347,943 didn’t have a bath or a shower, 419,971 lacked hot or cold running water, and 246,884 had neither.
https://usafacts.org/articles/us-households-with-plumbing-poverty/
But sure. Homes in colder parts of the U.S. can keep heated. They might have to use a wood stove and keep themselves in the one room the wood stove heats, but they can keep it heated.
This kind of “be grateful for what you have” thought process is reductive, and only benefits the elite, corporations, and oligarchs.
If everyone thought that way we wouldn’t have labor laws or regulations. Every worker would be a happy peasant, living in abject poverty and squalor.
It is OK to want more, that’s human nature. But original point was that economy is not healthy. Which is completely false.
Their point was that the economy is detached from the citizens.
It doesn’t matter if the economy is doing well, that GDP is rising, etc. when the actual quality of life of the people is worse than it was before.
Quality of life in the US is among the best and economy is not detached. That’s the thing.
Don’t you guys not even have public transport or public healthcare? Vuvuzuela has that. No problems.
Who us guys? We have everything here in the UK.
It’s not human nature, it’s the relationship to means of production between the capitalist and proletariat classes, turning the wheels of history.
There are no classes in a capitalist society.
Lmao
Meanwhile, cost of food has never been higher. Rent has never been higher. People are still getting laid off left and right.
These are statements that are literally almost always true. Prices always rise by design and there are always some companies going through hard times and paying people off.
Maybe you have an argument that it’s “unsustainable” and there is no doubt that the previous period of inflation is still putting massive pressure on people’s finances, but at the same time the outlook is good for the economy.
It might be tough to hear that because you are struggling, but you are not the economy, and where you are right now is not necessarily where you’ll be down the road in a year.
I mean prices of many food items have risen way faster than the rate of inflation within the past couple years.
A grocery run that was once $100 in 2020 is now $150 or more today.
Meanwhile household debt is sky rocketing because those families can’t afford their necessities anymore and have little recourse but to put it on credit cards.
Meanwhile families are hitting the streets at record levels while layoffs are happening across the board.
Meanwhile tent cities are popping up all over the country at levels never seen before in the last 50 years.
Sick take bro /s
No mention made of sky high insanely record corporate profits. Lmfao.
The company I work for expects a 65% Gross Margin on equipment. We’re still profitable well below that.
Holy shit!!
That’s the growth.
The American government has continued to spend a lot of money
On businesses while not doing much at all for households, leading to fun things like GDP going up alongside rates of homelessness
You forgot about spending money on terrorism
True, we have given a lot of federal money to state and local police departments
And Israel, of course
Good point, and it’s not like those cages we throw migrant families into are free
And credit card debt has been skyrocketing and payments are being missed in record numbers.
But thank god the stock market and everyone who gets rich off it are okay.
https://www.marketplace.org/2024/01/29/why-credit-card-debt-rising-again/
“Rich people’s yacht money”.
Whoda thought that the solution was the thing that works most times
That old New Deal can make Society Great again
No policy or political decision has had a more drastic positive effect on the average American than the new deal. After 80 years of it being gutted we still benefit from it.
The government should save up in good times and spend in bad times. Sure the highs will be lower, but the lows will be higher. And we all benefit from useful public works.
The US was one of very few countries (I believe only Japan did the same) to pump significant stimulus money into households. It boosted households, and it has kept consumer spending afloat until now, but it also inflated US national debt even more.
The US was one of very few countries (I believe only Japan did the same) to pump significant stimulus money into households
When did we do this? I don’t remember significant stimulus money
Anyone who believes that stimulus was significant looks like this
And they believe candy is still 5¢ lmaoWhen did we do this?
The Tax Foundation is an international research think tank based in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1937 by a group of businessmen in order to “monitor the tax and spending policies of government agencies”. The Tax Foundation collects data and publishes research studies on U.S. tax policies at both the federal and state levels. Its stated mission is to “improve lives through tax policy research and education that leads to greater economic growth and opportunity”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation?wprov=sfla1
Yeah, I think me and them have some fundamentally incompatible worldviews
Either way, a couple of checks years ago doesn’t seem significant to me
Maybe didn’t seem significant to you, but it did to me and a lot of other people. Made a huge financial difference at the time for me. And I would have had a hole in my finances now if it hadn’t been for that.
It was/is a lot of cash to pump into the economy.
