I would highly recommend fedora kinoite, it’s immutable so the system doesn’t break without you trying very hard, well configured out of the box, and uses flatpak for apps so the system can be stable and the apps can be updated regularly!
Kinoite is extremely stable due to it’s immutability, if we mean stable to mean “unbreaking” rather than not updated.
Wayland is also the better choice for new people unless they have nvidia, in which case, it will be the better choice once explicit sync is supported in xwayland and nvk is the default.
Not if you include laptops and people without dedicated gpu’s at all!
And either way, we’re not far from all of the issues being resolved nvidia side, and they’re few and far between at this point. That’s just the last problem left, and it only affects xwayland apps.
Still I don’t think it’s a good idea to recommend a rolling release Wayland immutable distro to someone who wants a system that works out of the box with no configuration. If someone is asking for a just works distro recommendation you should give them the simplest most reliable option not whatever flavor of the month project you think is coolest. Simplest and most reliable is mint/Ubuntu
I don’t think you’re correct, immutability is great for long-term maintenance and makes everything, especially updating, much easier for new people.
Non-immutable distros will often have conflicts, or when a dist upgrade happens, issues occur, immutable distros largely sidestep those issues, and I believe kinoite is the simplest, most reliable option for someone unfamiliar with performing these upgrades.
The moment there’s a dependency issue or conflict, they will have problems.
Fedora is not a flavor of the month project, it has just as much history as mint/ubuntu, and there’s a reason they’re shifting to atomic. Furthermore wayland is better for the vast majority of people right now, imagine you bother to switch to the linux desktop and then in a few months everything completely changes because wayland happened, it’ll look like linux is absolutely insane from the perspective of someone who hasn’t immersed themselves into the nature of this transition.
I would highly recommend fedora kinoite, it’s immutable so the system doesn’t break without you trying very hard, well configured out of the box, and uses flatpak for apps so the system can be stable and the apps can be updated regularly!
Fedora is way to cutting edge to be stable. Especially when it ships Wayland by default.
Kinoite is extremely stable due to it’s immutability, if we mean stable to mean “unbreaking” rather than not updated.
Wayland is also the better choice for new people unless they have nvidia, in which case, it will be the better choice once explicit sync is supported in xwayland and nvk is the default.
90%+ of people have nvidia gpus.
Not if you include laptops and people without dedicated gpu’s at all!
And either way, we’re not far from all of the issues being resolved nvidia side, and they’re few and far between at this point. That’s just the last problem left, and it only affects xwayland apps.
Still I don’t think it’s a good idea to recommend a rolling release Wayland immutable distro to someone who wants a system that works out of the box with no configuration. If someone is asking for a just works distro recommendation you should give them the simplest most reliable option not whatever flavor of the month project you think is coolest. Simplest and most reliable is mint/Ubuntu
I don’t think you’re correct, immutability is great for long-term maintenance and makes everything, especially updating, much easier for new people.
Non-immutable distros will often have conflicts, or when a dist upgrade happens, issues occur, immutable distros largely sidestep those issues, and I believe kinoite is the simplest, most reliable option for someone unfamiliar with performing these upgrades.
The moment there’s a dependency issue or conflict, they will have problems.
Fedora is not a flavor of the month project, it has just as much history as mint/ubuntu, and there’s a reason they’re shifting to atomic. Furthermore wayland is better for the vast majority of people right now, imagine you bother to switch to the linux desktop and then in a few months everything completely changes because wayland happened, it’ll look like linux is absolutely insane from the perspective of someone who hasn’t immersed themselves into the nature of this transition.
Wayland is not better for the majority of people. There is no way you can argue its less buggy than x11.
It’s less buggy for me, for sure.
I think there’s a reason plasma decided to switch to it by default, do you have any evidence that it’s more buggy?