Hold on here how is Linux Desktop beating out chrome OS?
Don’t get me wrong I am totally onboard with Linux winning over chrome OS. But I just don’t believe it.
I can got to any local store right now and buy a Chrome OS computer. I can’t say the same for Linux.
Not sure, but I’ll say that if you use ChromeOS, you’re much more likely to buy special hardware (Chromebooks) to run it on. Not many people download ChromeOS to run on their pre-existing computers. But you can just slap Linux on a toaster if you really want to. Even more, Valve’s Steam Deck comes with Linux by default, and that’s basically a desktop with touch and gamepad controls in mind.
I just wish the culture around open source gave more back to the people working on the software, even if it was just businesses. I think we’d see even more delevopment and support if the one guy making a critical driver for some obscure device that only power plants use, could take a vacation or quit his day job.
People around the world depend on open source being freely available and shareable. But if you’re making millions of dollars a year, I think it’s only fair to give some money to the people making your profit possible.
Not sure, but I’ll say that if you use ChromeOS, you’re much more likely to buy special hardware (Chromebooks) to run it on. Not many people download ChromeOS to run on their pre-existing computers.
That is my point. Normal people are not downloading any OS and installing it on their computers. They are going to the local big box store or online store and buying a computer and using whatever that OS is preinstalled. In my neck of the woods those options are Windows, OSX and Chrome OS. There is no Linux computers at your local big box store. And I am sure you could find a Linux computer online if you specifically searched for it but Amazon is going to put the Linux computer on page 500 if you search for “Laptop”
Valve’s Steam Deck comes with Linux by default
Yeah the Steam Deck is the only thing the came to my mind that mainstream people would get that would have Linux pre-installed. However I can’t imagine it is the steam deck is selling anywhere near the numbers to what Chrome OS computers are selling and also these numbers are based on web browsing. Are people using their steam deck to browse the web? I have a Steam Deck and yes Gaming is amazing on it however if I am being honest the desktop experience is terrible I don’t know how they manage to make the on screen keyboard suck so bad. I would prefer browsing the web on my phone over the Steam Deck. The only way I would browse the web on the Steam Deck is if it was fully setup with a Mouse and Keyboard and External monitor.
Granted this is all just based of my single experience and small corner of the world view point. Maybe Linux is poping off in other parts of the world like in India with a huge population base.
Oh no, I got you. I was kind of looking at if from another angle.
You normally can’t buy a machine with desktop Linux pre-installed, but you can with ChromeOS. Despite that, Linux has a bigger market share. I think part of the reason why is specifically because ChromeOS is so limited and intrinsically tied to Google, that people who do things like install new OSes avoid it like the plague. Google’s push to satisfiy shareholders and build walled gardens is the reason their desktop OS isn’t being used.
I’ve installed Android in virtual machines and played with x86 builds on bare metal. I’ve installed Linux on Macbooks, desktops, servers, and handhelds. I’ve tried out BSD on network shares and other little devices. I’ve never done anything like that with ChromeOS. It holds zero appeal to me, despite being easily purchasable at a retail store.
The statistics seem to be based on User Agent. A lot of people"fake" their user agent to avoid fingerprinting and other things.
I myself used to do it when I wanted to download Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft.
If your UA said anything Windows you were forced to use download Microsoft USB Tool. If it said Linux you got a direct link to the ISO.
Isn’t chrome os more or less US specific? Yes, I could buy a laptop with chrome os in central Europe if I looked for it, but is it widespread? Absolutely not. I don’t know single person that have (or had) one.
I think I saw somewhere that Windows still has scheduled bugs with high core count CPUs so you can legitimately get better performance from Linux because the scheduler has already been optimized for high core count servers
Sure but at least from my experience if the desktop hardware doesn’t support Windows we are already talking about a very obscure type of hardware that isn’t going to be mass deployed to the general public that would affect this user agent statistic.
The thing with Windows is that you are dependent on the Manufacture to make drivers for the device. Windows supports nothing out of the box. You can see this if you install Windows stock on a device with no internet. Granted that’s very uncommon but depending on the manufacture for support is a mixed bag sometimes.
Sure but that’s a really really narrow scope. Hardware is designed to work with Windows first. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is and saying hardware support is bad on windows is misleading.
I know technically ChromeOS is running Linux under the hood but it has been so bastardized by Google that it looses the spirit of Linux that it shouldn’t be consider the same thing. At least in my opinion.
I’m not sure about that. Android isn’t Linux for those reasons, but ChromeOS is much, much closer to a regular GNU/Linux distro. They’re even switching to Wayland from what I’ve heard. 😄
I don’t know but it might be inextricably linked to Googles content servers or reliant on services in such a way that it can’t simply be stripped of the telemetry in the way VSCodium is for example.
Hold on here how is Linux Desktop beating out chrome OS? Don’t get me wrong I am totally onboard with Linux winning over chrome OS. But I just don’t believe it.
I can got to any local store right now and buy a Chrome OS computer. I can’t say the same for Linux.
Not sure, but I’ll say that if you use ChromeOS, you’re much more likely to buy special hardware (Chromebooks) to run it on. Not many people download ChromeOS to run on their pre-existing computers. But you can just slap Linux on a toaster if you really want to. Even more, Valve’s Steam Deck comes with Linux by default, and that’s basically a desktop with touch and gamepad controls in mind.
I just wish the culture around open source gave more back to the people working on the software, even if it was just businesses. I think we’d see even more delevopment and support if the one guy making a critical driver for some obscure device that only power plants use, could take a vacation or quit his day job.
People around the world depend on open source being freely available and shareable. But if you’re making millions of dollars a year, I think it’s only fair to give some money to the people making your profit possible.
That is my point. Normal people are not downloading any OS and installing it on their computers. They are going to the local big box store or online store and buying a computer and using whatever that OS is preinstalled. In my neck of the woods those options are Windows, OSX and Chrome OS. There is no Linux computers at your local big box store. And I am sure you could find a Linux computer online if you specifically searched for it but Amazon is going to put the Linux computer on page 500 if you search for “Laptop”
Yeah the Steam Deck is the only thing the came to my mind that mainstream people would get that would have Linux pre-installed. However I can’t imagine it is the steam deck is selling anywhere near the numbers to what Chrome OS computers are selling and also these numbers are based on web browsing. Are people using their steam deck to browse the web? I have a Steam Deck and yes Gaming is amazing on it however if I am being honest the desktop experience is terrible I don’t know how they manage to make the on screen keyboard suck so bad. I would prefer browsing the web on my phone over the Steam Deck. The only way I would browse the web on the Steam Deck is if it was fully setup with a Mouse and Keyboard and External monitor.
Granted this is all just based of my single experience and small corner of the world view point. Maybe Linux is poping off in other parts of the world like in India with a huge population base.
Oh no, I got you. I was kind of looking at if from another angle.
You normally can’t buy a machine with desktop Linux pre-installed, but you can with ChromeOS. Despite that, Linux has a bigger market share. I think part of the reason why is specifically because ChromeOS is so limited and intrinsically tied to Google, that people who do things like install new OSes avoid it like the plague. Google’s push to satisfiy shareholders and build walled gardens is the reason their desktop OS isn’t being used.
I’ve installed Android in virtual machines and played with x86 builds on bare metal. I’ve installed Linux on Macbooks, desktops, servers, and handhelds. I’ve tried out BSD on network shares and other little devices. I’ve never done anything like that with ChromeOS. It holds zero appeal to me, despite being easily purchasable at a retail store.
The statistics seem to be based on User Agent. A lot of people"fake" their user agent to avoid fingerprinting and other things.
I myself used to do it when I wanted to download Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft. If your UA said anything Windows you were forced to use download Microsoft USB Tool. If it said Linux you got a direct link to the ISO.
Isn’t chrome os more or less US specific? Yes, I could buy a laptop with chrome os in central Europe if I looked for it, but is it widespread? Absolutely not. I don’t know single person that have (or had) one.
That I don’t know, I just know my territory in the US they are in every store that carries laptops.
I believe I have also seen them in Canada as well.
Linux has much better hardware support overall than Windows.
Yeah linux runs on 30+ year old hardware
And brand new $12k CPUs
I think I saw somewhere that Windows still has scheduled bugs with high core count CPUs so you can legitimately get better performance from Linux because the scheduler has already been optimized for high core count servers
Sure but at least from my experience if the desktop hardware doesn’t support Windows we are already talking about a very obscure type of hardware that isn’t going to be mass deployed to the general public that would affect this user agent statistic.
The thing with Windows is that you are dependent on the Manufacture to make drivers for the device. Windows supports nothing out of the box. You can see this if you install Windows stock on a device with no internet. Granted that’s very uncommon but depending on the manufacture for support is a mixed bag sometimes.
Sure but that’s a really really narrow scope. Hardware is designed to work with Windows first. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is and saying hardware support is bad on windows is misleading.
I just know from experience with obscure hardware. You can’t run Windows on your router and Windows 11 doesn’t support serial connections.
Yeah, why isn’t ChromeOS rolled into Linux?
I know technically ChromeOS is running Linux under the hood but it has been so bastardized by Google that it looses the spirit of Linux that it shouldn’t be consider the same thing. At least in my opinion.
I’m not sure about that. Android isn’t Linux for those reasons, but ChromeOS is much, much closer to a regular GNU/Linux distro. They’re even switching to Wayland from what I’ve heard. 😄
I don’t know but it might be inextricably linked to Googles content servers or reliant on services in such a way that it can’t simply be stripped of the telemetry in the way VSCodium is for example.
ChromeOS uses a custom display server for the moment, but Chrome + <random Linux distro> is pretty similar. 🤷🏽♂️
ChromeOS is moving to Wayland as their display server, to make it even more of a standard Linux install.