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      So now that this has been fixed, the next step could be to somehow make the manual install option aware within the Yunohost community

      I simply made a comment in the thread you linked haha

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      Considering how many apps use docker nowadays, that really surprises me that they wouldn’t support it. There’s that linuxserver docker repository that’s packaged hundreds of applications for docker.

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        docker is really bad for security and adds a lot of unnecessary complexity

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          Docker is not bad for security, unless you do insecure things like exposing your Docker socket or running random workloads as root, however those are just as insecure under systemd.

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            It has some weird behaviour, for example ufw rules dont apply to Docker.

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              This is not insecure. It is surprising if you don’t know how containers work, but in a real deployment you’d only bind to localhost and use a reverse proxy and that is perfectly safe.

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                  As I said this is surprising if you don’t know how containers work. This is similar from how e.g. virtual machine networking would trip you. As long as you know how to set things up properly, which is documented at length, Docker is not “insecure”.

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              How is this different from say, SystemD? It runs as root and has a larger attack surface.

              The link you pointed out has every CVE for every application packaged as Docker image. Would you make the same point that APT or AppImage is insecure because there are insecure applications packaged that way?

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                How is this different from say, SystemD?

                It’s very different because SystemD does way more things than running containers. Also, this is whataboutism.

                The link you pointed out has every CVE for every application packaged as Docker image.

                You could scan through the list and check for yourself which ones are due to docker itself. Besides, I updated the link to filter out the spurious CVEs.

                Would you make the same point that APT or AppImage is insecure because there are insecure applications packaged that way?

                I would not… unless the tool itself was actively encouraging bad security practices, for example bundling dependencies, as Docker/AppImage/Flatpak/Snap do.

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                  It is not whataboutism since SystemD is what you’ll use to run services if you don’t use Docker… If I say that mass transit is a terrible idea because it pollutes, and you point out that cars pollute even more, I can’t claim “whataboutism” to dismiss your argument.

                  Here’s the corresponding page for SystemD: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/38088/Freedesktop-Systemd.html?vendor_id=7971 as you can see there are even more vulnerabilities, which makes sense as the attack surface is even larger.