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New gecko based browsers are rare nowadays but this one is especially unique to me because it is more than just “firefox with tweaks” like a lot of the ones I’ve come across. The UI is different, it’s working on custom settings, a new more powerful sidebar, a new theming system, and potentially IPFS/Dat support further down the line. It’s very early in development but it’s still impressive as it is.

  • pinknoise
    1·
    4 years ago

    I am served by an encrypted and secure and reliable synchronization

    How do you know it’s encrypted and secure if you can’t look at the sourcecode?

    • Zerush
      1·
      4 years ago

      You can proof it. If your lost your password, you can’t recover your data, because Vivaldi don’t has access to your password, nor at your data, that is the price of privacy. Not like in other sites with the option to recover your password. Apart in which server you can see it’s source code? The part of closed source in Vivaldi is refered to the UI and not user related. Vivaldi knows in which country I am, the OS I use and the version of Vivaldi I use, same statistic data which colect also FF, no privat data nor browser history or tracking, like Chrome, Edge or Opera. A good tool for test websites is Blacklight, you can add it also to your search engine list https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=%s

      • pinknoise
        1·
        4 years ago

        You can proof it. If your lost your password, you can’t recover your data

        That would only verify, that the data they sent you on that first request was encrypted with your password. And that only if you monitor the requests being made.

        Apart in which server you can see it’s source code?

        You can’t verify that the correct binary and/or script is running and that the server isn’t compromised thats true. Thats why people design “zero trust” applications. If you only ever send cyphertext to the server it can’t read anything without the key. If vivaldi was open source you could easily verify that that’s the case. Because it’s closed source you are forced to reverse engineer their binary if you want to be sure. Their EULA forbids this.

        • Zerush
          1·
          4 years ago

          5% of the code referring to the UI is protected, the rest is OpenSource and everything is open for auditing. There is nothing hidden regarding privacy or user. What’s more, the modification of these codes by the user is even tolerated and explained in detail in the forum, where there is a sub-forum about it. Precisely Jon von Tetzchner, the founder of the Vivaldi cooperative and certainly not a stranger, has made his opinion very clear about the practices used by Google and the tracking of users, which he totally rejects.

          • pinknoise
            1·
            4 years ago

            5% of the code referring to the UI is protected

            Why?

            everything is open for auditing

            No it is not. They try to disallow you from doing it in their EULA, even though they know that you are absolutely free to do so in many legislations. (“except as permitted by applicable law”)

            the founder of the Vivaldi cooperative […] has made his opinion very clear about the practices used by Google and the tracking of users, which he totally rejects.

            Maybe you could ask him about his opinion on the shady companies they do business with?

            • Zerush
              1·
              4 years ago

              Certainly Vivaldi is financed by different sponsors and search providers, whose links are included by default in Vivaldi, but all of these can be eliminated in the configuration if you don’t want them, just like Google’s APIs. See which other browsers allow you to do this, Mozilla? Regarding the protected part of Vivaldi, whose modifications are expressly tolerated by Vivaldi. What is not allowed to use it for other foreign browsers. For the user himself there is only the private rule ‘Do what you want with Vivaldi’.

              https://jon.vivaldi.net/dont-let-monopolists-call-the-shots-save-the-internet/#more-40966