• frisodubach
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    4 years ago

    I don’t entirely agree when the author seems to suggest that China absolutely does not want to take over the world. While evidence is at somewhat circumstantial, a aggressively nationalistic government with a history of annexing/invading territories (Tibet, Vietnam, Hong Kong), and current clear aggressive language towards invading another country (Taiwan), there is some basis for these concerns.

    While they might not be after global domination right now, there is also historical precedent.

    The rest I agree with mostly. The US and other western nations like to see themselves as free and liberal, while they aren’t that different from authoritarian regimes. I do however have better hope of reform within a western nation, than an openly totalitarian regime like China.

    The goal should be to fight oppression everywhere. In ‘liberal’ nations, and in dictatorships.

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      Taiwan is not another country. Both Taiwan and the PRC claim the same territorries, and both represent the Chinese state. In fact, Taiwan even claims parts of Mongolia as their own.

      And it says a lot about reform in western nations when not even a social imperialist like Sanders can run for president.

      Edit: Taiwans territorial claims

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          You posted a lot of good and quite accurate information.

          Not only would there be legislative difficulty with changing the constitution, there would also be the fear of Chinese retaliation. The PRC considers themselves the successor of the ROC. Because of this, they also still lay claims on Taiwan. And if the ROC were to dissolve, and form a new independent nation of Taiwan, this would be a casus belli for the PRC, and they’ve said as much before.

          EDIT: When you’re too busy cock-sucking an totalitarian oppressive dictatorship that you don’t have any time to support actual socialist principles like freedom and equality. Downvote what you want, you don’t give a shit about socialism.

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        I’ve never understand this sentiment on both sides (I mean I’m german and I don’t have any desire to annex Austria only because we speak the same language) I lived and studied half a year in Taiwan and at least from the local population nobody claims china :grinning face with sweat: as I understood it this is like a game, started back when Taiwan was still under martial law, and then continued till today, but as the power shifted to China, it is used by China more as bargain for reunification and Taiwan fears backslash when it pulls itself out of this game … I read an article on a push for legalislation on Taiwan side here

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        From this comment I can tell you are way out of your depth, and commenting on things you have very little actual understanding of. I’d advise you to dive a little deeper than the surface before making claims.

        Taiwan claims all of their former territory in their constitution, adopted in 1947. This was towards the end of the civil war, a few years before the establishment of the PRC, and when the nationalist party of the KMT would retreat to Taiwan. However, since the PRC also claims all the territory of the ROC, seeing themselves as the rightful successor, Taiwan is now locked into their old constitution. Changing the constitution, would be an act of succession and thus war.

        This is however not at all in line with either the status quo or public opinion. The status quo is that Taiwan is a fully independent nation, with it’s own military, foreign relations, and China has zero influence over the vibrant newly democratic island nation.

        In terms of public opinion, the opinion especially now is firmly against re-unification with the PRC, especially under current circumstances. This stance has pretty much always polled abysmal single digit numbers. Some nationalists still favour ‘closer’ ties with China, both their numbers are decreasing every year. The vast majority of the country favours the status quo independence (out of fear for Chinese military aggression) or declaring independence outright.

        So while the legal documents might make those claims, no one actually takes those seriously, or actually wants those claims. However changing them would risk an invasion.

        EDIT: When you’re too busy cock-sucking an totalitarian oppressive dictatorship that you don’t have any time to support actual socialist principles like freedom and equality. Downvote what you want, you don’t give a shit about socialism.