- cross-posted to:
- technology@beehaw.org
- fediverse@kbin.social
- cross-posted to:
- technology@beehaw.org
- fediverse@kbin.social
Firefish is a new Fediverse social platform with a beautiful design, cool features, and great tools for your feed. It has a lot of potential to grow.
As someone who spent a bit of time earlier this year (pre-rebrand) on firefish poking around on it I can personally vouch that the reviewer (@deadsuperhero@lemmy.ml) has definitely eaten the dogfood here and is pretty much spot on about everything.
I was pleasantly surprised to see clips described as your favourite feature … mine too! One thing you didn’t quite make clear is that they can be either private or public. A public “clip” (collection of bookmarks) is a great way of sharing a series of posts. In a way it’s a nifty and very easy way of building up a web page of some sort. A nice example usage I ran into was creating a public clip of polls which together formed a survey that I could link to with a single URL.
Another thing you didn’t seem to touch on is MFM and the properly crazy things you can do with it (here’s a public clip of notable animations using MFM) but also the simple things that really do add some expression to your posts (colored text, actual bold and italic formatting, font size changes).
Longer posts may have been missed too? In my experience the 500 char limit of mastodon is just annoying. On firefish, with 4000 chars, you never have to worry about it … just write and it’ll be fine … just about any thread on masto can fit in a single post on firefish.
You’re absolutely right about Antennas … biggest disappointment I’ve had on the fediverse … seriously don’t trust anyone who tells you they’re awesome as they’re just spouting hype without having actually tried to use the feature for anything but the most basic things that can be done elsewhere.
And yea, the instability of the main instance is a serious problem. It’s the main reason I don’t use firefish anymore. Not only was the stability annoying, but the admins, IMO, are not quite upfront about how much of an issue it is and why it’s happening (there’s a competency gap that isn’t or wasn’t being managed well enough). Which is a shame because there was a moment there where firefish really could have taken off more than it has but a number of people, myself included bounced off of it.
While you praise the UI, I think there’s a fair critique around it being too much with too many features with text that is generally too small for many. Users have been asking since I was there for a more streamlined UI and I think many would enjoy that.
As you say, the Gallery feature could do with some love. Same goes for the Page feature which is a much more flexible tool for building effectively a web page except the UI is pretty bad and way too complex (an unaltered hangover from misskey I suspect).
In the end, what firefish/calckey/misskey shows is that the fediverse doesn’t need to merely be either a twitter or instagram or reddit clone … it can be many things often combined in different ways. Many have kinda forgotten (or worse never realised) that that can be the case largely because of how stagnant big social platforms are. If firefish gets its shit together, I agree with the reviewer, it could really take off.
Another more gossipy story around this is that some past maintainers forked firefish (over some sort of spat with the current lead dev and admin AFAICT). It’s called iceshrimp and last I heard the blahaj zone instance, who’ve always run a downstream fork, were going to align with iceshrimp over firefish. I don’t know where all of that is up to now, though iceshrimp is still going (they have a few servers and users: https://fedidb.org/software/iceshrimp), but it does emphasise I think that there’s something non-ideal at the developer level of the platform that probably needs to stabilise.
Antenna used to work differently, but were changed to be less performance intensive (and less useful) somewhere after the rebrand to Firefish.
Before the change, they were the single best feature of Firefish IMO
Interesting. I wrestled with them before the rebrand and concluded that where they were useful I could do the same with mastodon, but that they introduced too much complexity that just wasn’t helpful, and that was apart from the performance. From memory a central issue was that antennas pull down partial word matches and you couldn’t opt of that, which meant hashtags were the most useful queries as the leading hash avoided spurious matches.
The one exception to that would be the way you could select sources for any antenna, that is useful for sure.
I found the extra flexibility really useful. I could have an arbitrary number of words or hashtags in each antenna, rather than 4 like mastodon, which allowed me to cover all of the variations I wanted. I could use multiple words on one line for a boolean “and” function. Rare words, I would use without hashtags, common words, I would restrict to hashtags.
I could follow instances, I could follow people, I could follow keywords, and I could follow regular words, with more control than basic hashtags.
Ooooh, is that what happened? I noticed Antennae got worse after the rebrand but wasn’t sure what happened.
Wow, thanks for the great in-depth feedback! 🤩
Yeah, there’s definitely other areas I could’ve delved into, like Public Clips or MFM or pagebuilding. These in-depth reviews are challenging, due to trying to strike a balance between features and actually getting something published. Most articles of this nature takes me weeks, sometimes even a month or more.
The UI definitely has a learning curve, too, but as a veteran Fedi user, it suited me just fine. I’ve dealt with far, far worse 😂
The instability really bums me out. I’d like to think that things are slowly improving, but the lack of transparency (and frankly useless error messages) make it really hard to triage where the problem is and forge a path forward. The lead dev has also been sick recently, and suddenly is not very active online.
Finally, I think Firefish takes part in a long tradition of Misskey forks, where a half dozen systems all branch off of each other. It’s a shame that more of them don’t collaborate on the same platform, leaving many devs to cherry-pick across forks. I wonder sometimes whether this hurts development more than it helps.
This statement by @maegul@maegul@lemmy.ml is a very important sentence for me. It reminds me of a statement that a participant at a Fediverse meeting said: “Maybe the Fediverse shouldn’t be sold as a substitute product like ‘vegan sausage’, but as something in its own right.”
(transl./ original in german: “Vielleicht sollte man das Fediverse nicht wie ‘vegane Wurst’ als Ersatzprodukt verkaufen, sondern als etwas Eigenständiges.”)
Thank you for your articles @deadsuperhero@deadsuperhero@lemmy.ml , which show that!
Vegan sausage is a perfect analogy! Thanks!
Yea I feel you. I check in occasionally to see where things are at and from what I’ve seen, including your reports here and in the review, it really hasn’t dramatically gotten better. Which makes sense as I suspect the root cause hasn’t been fixed either.
It’d be curious to know how other instances are going and if they’re far more stable. I suspect they are, and if true, then the admins of firefish.social are doing a disservice to the platform (and a silly one at that) and should really make clear that their instance is experimental and unstable and that anyone wanting stability should go to another instance (of which there are a sufficient amount).
if anything, its gotten worse tbh. the upside is that the move account feature to mastodon works, was a bit concerned about that.
it doesnt block your old account after a move like mastodon does, so i still have a functional firefish account, just not my followers anymore
chris stating that hes hesitant to open his new (4 person) firefish server to other people until theyve tested more for stability makes me quite hesitant to recommend the platform for now, if stability issues are this deeply ingrained
Yea well instability has been such a perennial problem , especially given what you say, and it’s essentially a legacy platform so it would only be logical to presume it’s ingrained … not to mention that stability is basically the first job of a social media platform. Occasional downtimes are fine, but if it isn’t reliable it is likely not worth using … so it’s not something to fast and loose with.
I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, but the lead dev has openly admitted to lacking the DB expertise they feel is necessary, and he and Chris were hoping to rely on an expert they know that didn’t show up for whatever reason. That on top of the legacy of the old misskey code base and it seems likely that the lead dev is just struggling to stay on top of the issues without creating new ones. Which is very reasonable! There’s a lot that goes into writing and running a social media platform! You really need a team.
Plasmatrap.com is very stable (for now)