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  • @AgreeableLandscape
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    3 years ago

    That document is interesting, but sadly I can’t take it seriously.

    What’s wrong with it exactly? It links mostly to Western media.

    No one is seriously naive enough to

    Yet you’re “seriously naive enough” to take what the West says about China for what it is? The West has been in competition with China since the goddamn Opium Wars, yet you just trust that everything they say is objective?

    I think the fact that the most powerful MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES have spoken out IN APPROVAL of China’s treatment of the people of Xinjiang (why would they do that if Muslims are being mistreated?) speaks volumes.

    The World Bank, an extremely Western organization, doesn’t seem to think there’s anything going on either, but Western media has been suspiciously silent on this. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china

    Why would China’s government do good things? What motivation would they have exactly?

    Do you need motivation to do good things? In that case, the entire world must be absolutely filled with assholes.

    Or are you insinuating that Chinese people are naturally opposed to doing good things unless there’s something in it for them (presumably while Westerners are naturally altruistic)? I actually see this “argument” floating around occasionally on places like Reddit.

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      03 years ago

      What’s wrong with it?

      It links to things which are no more believable than the propaganda from the US and UK. Why should I believe any of them?

      I bet you’re naive

      I don’t take what the west says about china and believe it. US media is a complete shitfest. But it really isn’t hard to believe, based on the thousands of reports from muslims, and the secrecy of the Chinese authorities, as well as their global approach to criticism.

      I am motivated not by a trust in the West but by a distrust in the CCP

      most powerful muslim countries

      Yes, well-known for being reliable and giving a shit about human rights…?

      World bank

      That report you linked to seems to be about aspecific set of funding, not about the situation in Xinjiang as a whole.

      Do you need motivation to do good things?

      Individuals motivate themselves to do good things. Organisations never do, and the CCP is an organisation. They are extremely powerful, and accountable to no-one. Their only responsibility is to destroy any threat to their power.

      The West is the same. Thanks to the nightmarish capitalist system we have, it’s a dog-eat-dog, selfish part of the world.

      The irony of you saying this is that I’m not saying the west is good, while YOU are saying China is good. So why are the CCP inherently good when every other organisation on the planet is riddled with corruption???