I have family members who are our landlords, and others that own second houses. Is this a “no ethical consumption under capitalism” moment or what do I need to do about this?

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    being a landlord or owning a second house is a big no no, I cant see any situation its good in, its directly exploitative, even if they are renting it for cost value they’re still gaining the capital on the house, they’ve taken a house off the market that someone else could have owned themselves as their actual home and been paying the mortgage on. this is a bit of a market based argument but still, even under those circumstances its unethical.

    its also just a way for people who have alot of money to make even more money from that money, and accelerate away from those without much money.

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        I don’t know about where you live obviously but here in the uk there isn’t really any surplus of housing in rural areas, in fact many rural villages are being taken over by second home owners and airbnb rentals, which drives up the price on the few remaining houses, leaving the more built up areas where most property is bought buy landlords to be let.

        I’m pretty sure a ‘perfect’ anarchist society could help people who can’t do so to maintain their homes as well as having lodgings for those who don’t want to live in one place for long, these aren’t rocket science.

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      I can think of one or two instances where you would want or need a landlord; for those who want their own space but do not want the hassle of upkeep/maintence amd/or cannot upkeep/maintain the property, and as transient housing for folks. I know there are people who want, need, and desire this sort of housing structure due to disability, age, or other status. Should we just ignore that for black and white thinking?

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        I think it’s very black and white thinking to suppose that a single use case gives the green light to a practise such as landlording. Just to be clear I take that landlordism always involves someone owning a house and charging another rent to live there.

        Within a non-market anarchist society I’m pretty sure we could figure out a way to provide a space to live for those who would prefer to be transitory. It might be an odd example but it’s the one that comes to mind, but buddhist monasteries in medieval china always maintained guest quarters for travellers. I don’t have all the answers but it’s easy to see that this situation isn’t rocket science and could easily be fixed without resorting to landlordism.

        As for upkeep/maintenance, those who cannot do this would surely be helped by their community, this is the entire point of anarchist mutual aid.

        I find it very strange to be on an anarchist community with people advocating for landlordism.

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          Hmm those are good points, and while the example is old, it servers as a great example of what could be possible. Existance in capitalism causes brainrot in the sense I didn’t think more creatively for a solution that isnt so exploitative. So thanks

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            I totally get you, it’s sometimes so hard to think outside of the bounds of capitalism that infests our every waking moment, like I say I’m no expert and don’t have all the answers but I’m convinced that the ability to have a stateless non-capitalist society is there if we dream hard enough.

            The society envisaged in bolo’bolo (well worth a read!) Tries to build in the ability to freely travel between bolos, because that sort of shit is important if we want localism but some benefits of wider mixing and the town 20 miles away not becoming a weird place we just don’t understand in our village and hence start to fear and otherise.

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        As metawish said above it’s very important to know what sort of relationship you have with these people. It’s not very effective to go around making out of the blue quite drastic(for the current society) demands and expecting people to just do those things, it’s just going to have the opposite effect of cutting those people off from you.

        It sounds like you’re quite young so I would suggest the answer might be nothing. Perhaps at most just sow some distrust of the very idea of landlordism or owning property in this way (sort of life real life meme magic). For instance I like to ask the open question “what does a boss even do?” (I seem to remember this comes from malatesta), an open question like this isn’t that confrontational and won’t have much immediate effect but the other person may go away and ponder over this question, they may not even come to the conclusion you’d have liked but at least they’ve have started to give it some thought rather than just presume it’s the way it always should be.

        But if you really think you have a good relationship with these people where you could sit down and talk seriously to these people about the ills on society of being a landlord then go for it, but don’t expect them to change right away.