Patsocs tend to want to focus on productive labor and suggest working with students, lumpen proletarians and the average service worker is inefficient. I’ve heard the defense of this that blue-collar workers, truckers, etc are the ones who actually have the power to shut stuff down, and are therefore the most powerful for revolution and so on. Is that a valid line of argument? Is it a good strategy to focus on organizing those workers?
That does not necessarily make one fascist, just maybe not functional to the cause. I can undestand not wanting to start with the Lumpenproles, maybe organize the regular proles in transportation, agriculture, industry, and tech before you can get social workers to integrate the lumpenproles into the more functional industries.
Impossible to organize lumpen as lumpen. Successful communism would eliminate the lumpenproletariat as a class.
Yea, but in order to do that, you’ll need to work with the people of that class to integrate them into productive industries. Also the more of them that see our interests as their interests, means that we’ll have to deal with fewer reactionaries. Doing so also means adding more people with lumpen backgrounds to assimilate other lumpens to become proles. It is good to have fewer people to fight against us. I don’t think you need to wait till full communism to work with them. Somewhere in the socialism stage, it is good to integrate them into the economy.
Fair point, I don’t disagree. But that’s not what lil tank was talking about.
Succesful communism would eliminate the proletariat as a class
Not immediately
If we are fine with China using the capitalists to their advantage we must be fine with using the lumpens to our advantage
It’s not about what is permissible or not. It is about what is effective or not. China used the national and petit bourgeoisie against imperial Japan because everyone in China had an interest in resisting Japan’s imperialism. Even then, the lumpen do not get a star on the Chinese flag