The newly elected members of the National Assembly will assume office on April 19, and the same day, will elect the new President and Vice President of Cuba
Cuba is extremely poor and most people would flee to any more advanced economy regardless of it’s moral values for the opportunity to have a better life.
The Cuban people are smart. Even cursory investigation reveals that Cubas centrally planned economy is a failure and the people are sick of it. The whole ‘Communism vs Capitalism’ debate is immaterial and a luxury for academics.
A cursory investigation reveals the opposite to be true. Cuba managed to thrive despite all the efforts of US to topple communism there, and the government is broadly supported by the people. Thinking that the debate regarding who should own the means of production and whose interest they should be operated in is immaterial is an incredibly idiotic statement.
Please spend sometime to educate yourself on the subject you’re attempting to debate instead of making a fool of yourself in public.
Lol you and I have very different definitions of ‘thrive’. I assume you’re talking about living off of subsidies from other countries while miserably failing to produce and distribute goods at a level that anyway equates with the rest of the modern world?
making a fool of myself in public
No worries. I can take a ‘shaming’ from you I’ll survive. I can’t say the same for Cuban refugees trying to escape on john boats and other improvised watercrafts. I assume they are trying to reach the US to tell us how awesome Cuba is.
If you’re looking for a Western apologist look elsewhere. That being said ‘food insecurity’ is in no way comparable to starving. We have the fattest poor people on the planet. There are a million and one ways to get food in the United States regardless of how broke you are. Also the inflation driving the ‘hand to mouth’ argument in the article is driven primarily by financial irresponsibility by the central planners in the US. Money printer go brrr.
The “overemployment” article is referring specifically to remote workers. That’s not to keep up with inflation. That’s free money. A ton of people started doing that during covid. Ive been at companies where they had to fire people because they weren’t doing anything and just collecting a check. It was a huge joke online for over a year. I’m not denying that there are people that work two jobs but a lot of that is because they are competing with an endless deluge of low skilled labor pouring into the country everyday.
The problem with American debt is most of it is unsecured student debt. 300k mortgage debt is healthy if you have collateral. The solution is simple. Don’t give 18 year olds 100k loans. When the government guarantees a loan for anything the price for that thing will increase dramatically in an economy driven by greed.
I’m the first one to say that the US should be more protective of the worker and stymie limitless immigration that undercuts the value of work but Communism or whatever term you feel like using to justify a centrally planned economy is equally wrong in the opposite direction. The answer is unsatisfying but it’s a mix. How that mix is proportioned will depend on the culture of the people and what they value. Then as a people they can decide what to incentivize. At some point though you have to give individuals the ability to reap what they personally have sowed even if it is more (or less) than their neighbor.
You can spin it however you like, but the reality is that a quarter of people in US don’t have enough food to eat. There are tent cities all across the country due to rampant homelessness. Healthcare in inaccessible and regularly bankrupts people. Cuba has none of these problems. In fact, Cuba ranks as world’s most sustainable developed country.
Communism works while capitalism creates failed states like the US. That’s the reality of the world.
The anthills in my backyard are sustainably developed too. Cuba’s crumbling infrastructure is on par with the most retrograde, backwaters of the first and second world. A power infrastructure with rolling blackouts and 60,000 cars for 11 million people. Nothing is more sustainable than living, more or less, in the past. It’s also no surprise because eco-tourism is the only moneymaker except for, maybe, cigars.
I’m not going to convince you that Cuba is defunct, repressive kleptocracy and you’re not going to convince me that Cuba’s ideals somehow transcend the record numbers of people trying to gtfo
Cuba isnt the same as truly tragic country like Haiti but it’s pretty bad. The people are educated but they are destitute and have no opportunities. Repealing sanctions would help but it won’t fix the cause of their woes. I hope for the best. They are our neighbors.
Who is ‘they’? The people leaving or the people working in the government? Does it even matter if all people can hope for is meeting their basic needs?
I’m no apologist for the west but you’re dreaming if you think there is anything to envy in Cuba other than the climate. Stores have bares shelves, people search or queue up for hours for bare necessities, and centralization ensures rampant government corruption that fuels (highly capitalistic) black markets.
And the only thing the people can do? Wait in line for their alotted rations and ‘vote’ in an election where there is only one choice.
Cuba is extremely poor and most people would flee to any more advanced economy regardless of it’s moral values for the opportunity to have a better life.
Nobody said that the struggle against a despotic empire would be easy.
The Cuban people are smart. Even cursory investigation reveals that Cubas centrally planned economy is a failure and the people are sick of it. The whole ‘Communism vs Capitalism’ debate is immaterial and a luxury for academics.
A cursory investigation reveals the opposite to be true. Cuba managed to thrive despite all the efforts of US to topple communism there, and the government is broadly supported by the people. Thinking that the debate regarding who should own the means of production and whose interest they should be operated in is immaterial is an incredibly idiotic statement.
Please spend sometime to educate yourself on the subject you’re attempting to debate instead of making a fool of yourself in public.
Lol you and I have very different definitions of ‘thrive’. I assume you’re talking about living off of subsidies from other countries while miserably failing to produce and distribute goods at a level that anyway equates with the rest of the modern world?
No worries. I can take a ‘shaming’ from you I’ll survive. I can’t say the same for Cuban refugees trying to escape on john boats and other improvised watercrafts. I assume they are trying to reach the US to tell us how awesome Cuba is.
In the real world people of Cuba are more satisfied with their government than Americans.
And it’s not hard to understand why given that a quarter of the population is starving in US. 64% of Americans live hand to mouth. 37% work two full time jobs, and an average person has around 100k debt. If that’s your idea of a functioning economy you should get your head checked.
If you’re looking for a Western apologist look elsewhere. That being said ‘food insecurity’ is in no way comparable to starving. We have the fattest poor people on the planet. There are a million and one ways to get food in the United States regardless of how broke you are. Also the inflation driving the ‘hand to mouth’ argument in the article is driven primarily by financial irresponsibility by the central planners in the US. Money printer go brrr.
The “overemployment” article is referring specifically to remote workers. That’s not to keep up with inflation. That’s free money. A ton of people started doing that during covid. Ive been at companies where they had to fire people because they weren’t doing anything and just collecting a check. It was a huge joke online for over a year. I’m not denying that there are people that work two jobs but a lot of that is because they are competing with an endless deluge of low skilled labor pouring into the country everyday.
The problem with American debt is most of it is unsecured student debt. 300k mortgage debt is healthy if you have collateral. The solution is simple. Don’t give 18 year olds 100k loans. When the government guarantees a loan for anything the price for that thing will increase dramatically in an economy driven by greed.
I’m the first one to say that the US should be more protective of the worker and stymie limitless immigration that undercuts the value of work but Communism or whatever term you feel like using to justify a centrally planned economy is equally wrong in the opposite direction. The answer is unsatisfying but it’s a mix. How that mix is proportioned will depend on the culture of the people and what they value. Then as a people they can decide what to incentivize. At some point though you have to give individuals the ability to reap what they personally have sowed even if it is more (or less) than their neighbor.
You can spin it however you like, but the reality is that a quarter of people in US don’t have enough food to eat. There are tent cities all across the country due to rampant homelessness. Healthcare in inaccessible and regularly bankrupts people. Cuba has none of these problems. In fact, Cuba ranks as world’s most sustainable developed country.
Communism works while capitalism creates failed states like the US. That’s the reality of the world.
@yogthos @Manmoth Is #Cuba a better place to live than the #USA?
https://diabetesjournals.org/diabetes/article/60/11/2667/33452/Poverty-and-Obesity-in-the-U-S
Cuba has an innovative housing plan. Evict people and bulldoze their houses to the ground.
The anthills in my backyard are sustainably developed too. Cuba’s crumbling infrastructure is on par with the most retrograde, backwaters of the first and second world. A power infrastructure with rolling blackouts and 60,000 cars for 11 million people. Nothing is more sustainable than living, more or less, in the past. It’s also no surprise because eco-tourism is the only moneymaker except for, maybe, cigars.
I’m not going to convince you that Cuba is defunct, repressive kleptocracy and you’re not going to convince me that Cuba’s ideals somehow transcend the record numbers of people trying to gtfo
Cuba isnt the same as truly tragic country like Haiti but it’s pretty bad. The people are educated but they are destitute and have no opportunities. Repealing sanctions would help but it won’t fix the cause of their woes. I hope for the best. They are our neighbors.
You want to starve poor people, so you are a murderer.
Where did I say that?
@Manmoth @yogthos At least they’re not capitalists though
Who is ‘they’? The people leaving or the people working in the government? Does it even matter if all people can hope for is meeting their basic needs?
I’m no apologist for the west but you’re dreaming if you think there is anything to envy in Cuba other than the climate. Stores have bares shelves, people search or queue up for hours for bare necessities, and centralization ensures rampant government corruption that fuels (highly capitalistic) black markets.
And the only thing the people can do? Wait in line for their alotted rations and ‘vote’ in an election where there is only one choice.