So I looked up their party platform of 2019, and it said that their goal was to restore the territorial
integrity and state sovereignty of Ukraine. That might include the Minsk agreements, since I remember Zelensky talking about having free and fair referendrums in Donbass and Luhansk regarding autonomy.
However, nothing about relations with Russia, only stuff about implementing the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and
expand cooperation with the EU and NATO. Also something about relaunching their relations with their western neighbours?
Russia was never against Ukraine having relations with the west, not sure why you think that was relevant. Implementation of Minsk agreements was the core part of the platform because autonomy of Donbas was what the civil war since 2014 was all about.
Well you said their party platform was about normalizing relations with Russia and implementing the Minsk agreements and I couldn’t find anything about that other than maybe restoring the territorial integrity and state sovereignty of Ukraine might include that since Zelensky talked about holding fair and free elections there.
The pictures posted before my replied gave the impression that you had two sides with one wanting to close ties with the EU and one with Russia. Since they were old elections from 2004 and 2010 the one from 2019 gives a much more different picture, telling us that the party with a platform of relaunching their relations with their western neighbours and implementing the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and expand cooperation with the EU and NATO had a broad support over the country, not dividing it in two halves.
So that’s why I included that if that’s what you mean. Otherwise I don’t quite follow what you’re asking.
What you keep admitting here is that you have absolutely no idea regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate. Not sure why you felt the need to provide opinions on a topic you’re utterly ignorant of.
I think I made a pretty good point?
There’s pictures of old elections showing a divided Ukraine chosing between Russia and Europe.
I provided pictures of a more recent election showing a broad support, bridging that divide, for a pro-EU party with a presidential election with the same result.
So I looked up their party platform of 2019, and it said that their goal was to restore the territorial integrity and state sovereignty of Ukraine. That might include the Minsk agreements, since I remember Zelensky talking about having free and fair referendrums in Donbass and Luhansk regarding autonomy.
However, nothing about relations with Russia, only stuff about implementing the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and expand cooperation with the EU and NATO. Also something about relaunching their relations with their western neighbours?
Russia was never against Ukraine having relations with the west, not sure why you think that was relevant. Implementation of Minsk agreements was the core part of the platform because autonomy of Donbas was what the civil war since 2014 was all about.
Where did I state that Russia had something against Ukraines relations with the west?
Perhaps you should elaborate on why you thought relaunching relations with their western neighbours was relevant here.
Well you said their party platform was about normalizing relations with Russia and implementing the Minsk agreements and I couldn’t find anything about that other than maybe restoring the territorial integrity and state sovereignty of Ukraine might include that since Zelensky talked about holding fair and free elections there.
The pictures posted before my replied gave the impression that you had two sides with one wanting to close ties with the EU and one with Russia. Since they were old elections from 2004 and 2010 the one from 2019 gives a much more different picture, telling us that the party with a platform of relaunching their relations with their western neighbours and implementing the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and expand cooperation with the EU and NATO had a broad support over the country, not dividing it in two halves. So that’s why I included that if that’s what you mean. Otherwise I don’t quite follow what you’re asking.
What you keep admitting here is that you have absolutely no idea regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate. Not sure why you felt the need to provide opinions on a topic you’re utterly ignorant of.
Sorry, what?
I think I made a pretty good point? There’s pictures of old elections showing a divided Ukraine chosing between Russia and Europe. I provided pictures of a more recent election showing a broad support, bridging that divide, for a pro-EU party with a presidential election with the same result.
What did I get wrong?
This all has been explained to you repeatedly in this very thread.
Well I reread the thread and no, it’s unclear. Could you please specify?
@yogthos @Flavourful Guys; we are here for the memes not political debate.