first, your isp sse everything even with vpn, i doenst matter. Rhe data stream is isp owned, with vpn you will just have different ip addrees of yours. You can rotate ip adress with vpn but that is same, they can associate otherwise, ypu device is leaking more than just ip address. not sure if vpn is even a solution cause moat of the servers providing vpns got lowered speeds fpr p2p, at least from my experience. I dont believe shit for the payed vpns, like nord vpn, you will just point on yourself, as,vpn is also,a,aimgle point of failure (your whole traffic is flowing cross one, monitored point, noone and i mean noone can,tell me othervise, all,servers got logs, all are monitored, its basic operarional stuff)
second, p2p connection is flowing cross specific ports on the net by default. (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/List-of-well-known-ports-used-by-various-peer-to-peer-P2P-protocols_tbl1_347789431)meaning isp doesnt need to do much effort to filter who is doing torrents. For example in Germany, isp is actively monitoring the ports and when u torrent, they will downgrade your up/down net speed for time beening and if you will continue with torrents they will cut you off from connection totally. in swizz ypu will be cut off immidiately and with fat fine to pay.
third,
ypu didnt state why you like to hide your torrent activity? best to chcek a basic law, check local community with their experiemces and how law enforcement is doing their work, important is alao how friendly is a state with usa/hollywood > american lobby. If tou are locatwd in third world country dont bother, if you dont mind to be somewhere blacklisted, i mean your device, ip address and location address (ypu are saying u like to seed, if you are paet of some bigger thingy forget what i just wrote) isp has to have a proper system set up (operational costs) and with poor law enforcement they will not prosecute you.
forth,
if you are looking for longterm solution and seed thousands, i would suggest to set a proxy farm in front of the machine and rotate ip addresses regularly, no windows no microsoft, host it on some server with no propietary software located is best in some 3rd world,country. Set the machinw thqt,it will be also flushing metadata,regularly and suppling fake data automaticaly. this is juat no easy task to do. From time to time change also,a phusical address, if you will be seeding alot, you will at some point be a target fpr someone, as i mwntioned american lobby, just check tprrentfreak how the raids are going, from time to time the will do a action cross the globe and then people going to jail.
Sorry but this just isn’t really correct and assumes the ISP puts in a lot of work to track people down.
They are not the ones enforcing DMCAs from illegal content. That is performed by cybersecurity companies that crawl through IPs in seed swarms and then report that automatically to the ISP if it registered within their IP range. This is a page from one of those companies advertising this service. You can see the report that Comcast gives out and it sites who reported the violation.
Also, yes a lot of VPNs do actually remove logs. Can’t report to authorities what you do not have, although some areas do have retention logs which is why you should be using a VPN service that hosts a server in a country that doesn’t care about that (I point mine to Canada depending on ping and that works for me). Lots of VPN services have third-party audits to confirm their privacy statements, and I utilize one that has no information on me besides the email I signed up with (and could use cash/crypto payments if I would like for extra anonymity).
Also, there are sites that check for IP leaks like this one which can confirm you are showing only the VPN IP address. As for the port issue, they also allow for port forwarding on a lot of VPN servers so you don’t need to be utilizing any ports directly to your connection, only to the server and then gets forwarded to a WireGuard port to finalize the connection.
I have torrented absolutely astounding amounts of data with my VPN active and have had zero issues. Then, the moment I accidentally disable the VPN for one reason or another and keep my torrents active, I received a DMCA for two torrents I was running at nearly the exact time I disabled my VPN connection.
thanks for link, maybe i will send them my cv 😃, isp is not the one who is doing investigation, they just coop.
Do VPNs remove logs? do you have access to the log folders on the machines, or how do you know? im not gonna argue with anyone, its my personal opinion, do what ever you want to, if you think they are not loggin pls do so.
so you receveid the dmca and what happend? you had to pay? or it was just no no no and thas it? ypu had zero issues couse of you hid yourself so good or cause you are not a big fish to hunt, or to give an effort to pit you down for such a small data?
im not saying that you did bad, im just sayimg that this got multiple options how to look on the matter, even if you will not care at all and seed alot, they dont need to put you down, or vice versa, one seed with best harfening amd they will make a big problem out of it.
You know they dump logs because like I said they employ third-party contractors to come in and perform security audits that validate their privacy policy, which if you do proper research should include dumping of logs, or only minimal data retention (like how mine only required an email address) along with dumping. So you can confirm it, I guess you can still be weary of that if you’d like but it is in their best interest to make sure you are actually safe, otherwise that is a hit on their reputation.
As for what happened after receiving a DMCA, they tell you that you have so many strikes on your account and that if you violate that a certain amount of times within a time period, then they will terminate your service. The ISP is not the person who would be pursuing you, their only liability is that you don’t do illegal things on their network.
But again, all these steps beyond just a VPN are to ensure there is as little identifying information as possible so they can’t track you down. Unless you are a literal Scene person who is doing the actual dumping and uploading of content, no one is out here watching you unless you leave easily identifiable information public while torrenting, at least this has been my experience after torrenting probably 100s of TBs of data both via seeding and leeching.
First, no your ISP cannot see anything if you are using a VPN. They only see encrypted packages and might be able to determine that you are using a VPN but they absolutely cannot tell what data you are sending or receiving.
Second, I have never experienced that a ISP in Germany throttles torrenting, even without VPN. Torrenting per se is not illegal, you can download Linux ISOs via torrent. We still have net neutrality in the EU and in Germany. Throttling torrents would violate net neutrality and would be illegal AFAIK.
hi,
first, your isp sse everything even with vpn, i doenst matter. Rhe data stream is isp owned, with vpn you will just have different ip addrees of yours. You can rotate ip adress with vpn but that is same, they can associate otherwise, ypu device is leaking more than just ip address. not sure if vpn is even a solution cause moat of the servers providing vpns got lowered speeds fpr p2p, at least from my experience. I dont believe shit for the payed vpns, like nord vpn, you will just point on yourself, as,vpn is also,a,aimgle point of failure (your whole traffic is flowing cross one, monitored point, noone and i mean noone can,tell me othervise, all,servers got logs, all are monitored, its basic operarional stuff)
second, p2p connection is flowing cross specific ports on the net by default. (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/List-of-well-known-ports-used-by-various-peer-to-peer-P2P-protocols_tbl1_347789431)meaning isp doesnt need to do much effort to filter who is doing torrents. For example in Germany, isp is actively monitoring the ports and when u torrent, they will downgrade your up/down net speed for time beening and if you will continue with torrents they will cut you off from connection totally. in swizz ypu will be cut off immidiately and with fat fine to pay.
third, ypu didnt state why you like to hide your torrent activity? best to chcek a basic law, check local community with their experiemces and how law enforcement is doing their work, important is alao how friendly is a state with usa/hollywood > american lobby. If tou are locatwd in third world country dont bother, if you dont mind to be somewhere blacklisted, i mean your device, ip address and location address (ypu are saying u like to seed, if you are paet of some bigger thingy forget what i just wrote) isp has to have a proper system set up (operational costs) and with poor law enforcement they will not prosecute you.
forth, if you are looking for longterm solution and seed thousands, i would suggest to set a proxy farm in front of the machine and rotate ip addresses regularly, no windows no microsoft, host it on some server with no propietary software located is best in some 3rd world,country. Set the machinw thqt,it will be also flushing metadata,regularly and suppling fake data automaticaly. this is juat no easy task to do. From time to time change also,a phusical address, if you will be seeding alot, you will at some point be a target fpr someone, as i mwntioned american lobby, just check tprrentfreak how the raids are going, from time to time the will do a action cross the globe and then people going to jail.
ps- why,join marine when you can be.a pirate
Sorry but this just isn’t really correct and assumes the ISP puts in a lot of work to track people down.
They are not the ones enforcing DMCAs from illegal content. That is performed by cybersecurity companies that crawl through IPs in seed swarms and then report that automatically to the ISP if it registered within their IP range. This is a page from one of those companies advertising this service. You can see the report that Comcast gives out and it sites who reported the violation.
Also, yes a lot of VPNs do actually remove logs. Can’t report to authorities what you do not have, although some areas do have retention logs which is why you should be using a VPN service that hosts a server in a country that doesn’t care about that (I point mine to Canada depending on ping and that works for me). Lots of VPN services have third-party audits to confirm their privacy statements, and I utilize one that has no information on me besides the email I signed up with (and could use cash/crypto payments if I would like for extra anonymity).
Also, there are sites that check for IP leaks like this one which can confirm you are showing only the VPN IP address. As for the port issue, they also allow for port forwarding on a lot of VPN servers so you don’t need to be utilizing any ports directly to your connection, only to the server and then gets forwarded to a WireGuard port to finalize the connection.
I have torrented absolutely astounding amounts of data with my VPN active and have had zero issues. Then, the moment I accidentally disable the VPN for one reason or another and keep my torrents active, I received a DMCA for two torrents I was running at nearly the exact time I disabled my VPN connection.
thanks for link, maybe i will send them my cv 😃, isp is not the one who is doing investigation, they just coop.
Do VPNs remove logs? do you have access to the log folders on the machines, or how do you know? im not gonna argue with anyone, its my personal opinion, do what ever you want to, if you think they are not loggin pls do so.
so you receveid the dmca and what happend? you had to pay? or it was just no no no and thas it? ypu had zero issues couse of you hid yourself so good or cause you are not a big fish to hunt, or to give an effort to pit you down for such a small data?
im not saying that you did bad, im just sayimg that this got multiple options how to look on the matter, even if you will not care at all and seed alot, they dont need to put you down, or vice versa, one seed with best harfening amd they will make a big problem out of it.
You know they dump logs because like I said they employ third-party contractors to come in and perform security audits that validate their privacy policy, which if you do proper research should include dumping of logs, or only minimal data retention (like how mine only required an email address) along with dumping. So you can confirm it, I guess you can still be weary of that if you’d like but it is in their best interest to make sure you are actually safe, otherwise that is a hit on their reputation.
As for what happened after receiving a DMCA, they tell you that you have so many strikes on your account and that if you violate that a certain amount of times within a time period, then they will terminate your service. The ISP is not the person who would be pursuing you, their only liability is that you don’t do illegal things on their network.
But again, all these steps beyond just a VPN are to ensure there is as little identifying information as possible so they can’t track you down. Unless you are a literal Scene person who is doing the actual dumping and uploading of content, no one is out here watching you unless you leave easily identifiable information public while torrenting, at least this has been my experience after torrenting probably 100s of TBs of data both via seeding and leeching.
Your first and second points are incorrect.
First, no your ISP cannot see anything if you are using a VPN. They only see encrypted packages and might be able to determine that you are using a VPN but they absolutely cannot tell what data you are sending or receiving.
Second, I have never experienced that a ISP in Germany throttles torrenting, even without VPN. Torrenting per se is not illegal, you can download Linux ISOs via torrent. We still have net neutrality in the EU and in Germany. Throttling torrents would violate net neutrality and would be illegal AFAIK.