Except for the Russia-provided hacks related to the 2016 US presidential race and working with the Trump team. The Russian government and Trump are both entirely incompatible with the ideal of a transparency organization. Acting as a patsy for them was shameful.
They leaked everything they could verify (regarding the election*, to be clear they’ve held back content before that would directly endanger people’s lives), that was proven time and time again. Surprised to see such uninformed regurgitation on Lemmy
I know it was verified (or at least Podesta’s emails, I don’t think the DCCC and DNC leaks were verified). It doesn’t change that they actively coordinated timing with Roger Stone with the sole purpose of protecting Trump. It also doesn’t change that Assange actively whipped up conspiracy theories by dropping hints about the unrelated murder of a DNC staffer, Seth Rich. Wikileaks’ involvement in that entire election was a corruption of their purpose. They went from a transparency organization speaking truth to power to a willing laundering front for Russia and Trump.
Do you have a source on Wikileaks actively coordinating timing with Roger Stone? Regarding this, Wikileaks said they never spoke to Roger Stone and Roger Stone only said under oath his communication with Wikileaks was with a third party journalist. Furthermore, Wikileaks went as far as saying they timed their leaks to counteract hitpieces from the press (which was more than happy to attack real journalism).
It also doesn’t change that Assange actively whipped up conspiracy theories by dropping hints about the unrelated murder of a DNC staffer
It doesn’t help, that’s for sure. But it’s also not proven that it was unrelated. Seth Rich could very have been the leak.
They went from a transparency organization speaking truth to power to a willing laundering front for Russia and Trump.
They never changed. They always leaked what they could verify. The only thing that changed was their supporters decided some truths shouldn’t be shared. Honestly, the fact we talk about Wikileaks rather than the content of the emails (not that there’s much there) shows we’re shooting the messenger, which is obviously the wrong approach.
Wikileaks went as far as saying they timed their leaks to counteract hitpieces from the press
It wasn’t a hit piece. The leak was timed to blunt the release of the Access Hollywood tape, where Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women. Regardless of how exactly the coordination happened, Stone did coordinate. He also had been in direct communication with Assange over Twitter DM.
But it’s also not proven that it was unrelated. Seth Rich could very have been the leak.
A key part of the conspiracy theory is that Seth Rich was a computer person or something at the DNC, and would therefore have had access to the email servers. The problem with this is that he was the wrong type of computer person. At no point was he in a position where he would have been given access to the email servers.
To cinch it up, the actual source of the leak, the GRU cover persona “Guccifer 2.0”, communicated with Wikileaks four days after Seth Rich was dead.
They always leaked what they could verify.
If they kept to merely releasing leaks I might buy this. But the moment they started timing it specifically to protect Donald Trump, that’s where they have crossed the line from anti-secrecy organization to political operatives with a weak veneer. The fact that they were playing political operative for Trump, a man who has broken numerous transparency norms and glorifies strongmen leaders, just makes it worse.
You misunderstood my point regarding timing. Wikileaks was releasing leaks to counteract press hits against Wikileaks, not press leaks against Trump. I don’t have a source on this one in particular, but it was brought up by Julian Assange in a live stream way back when the leaks were happening.
I was talking about the Podesta leak specially. It was released within hours of the Access Hollywood tapes. I don’t get what Wikileaks would have even dropped to counteract press hits.
Except for the Russia-provided hacks related to the 2016 US presidential race and working with the Trump team. The Russian government and Trump are both entirely incompatible with the ideal of a transparency organization. Acting as a patsy for them was shameful.
They leaked everything they could verify (regarding the election*, to be clear they’ve held back content before that would directly endanger people’s lives), that was proven time and time again. Surprised to see such uninformed regurgitation on Lemmy
I know it was verified (or at least Podesta’s emails, I don’t think the DCCC and DNC leaks were verified). It doesn’t change that they actively coordinated timing with Roger Stone with the sole purpose of protecting Trump. It also doesn’t change that Assange actively whipped up conspiracy theories by dropping hints about the unrelated murder of a DNC staffer, Seth Rich. Wikileaks’ involvement in that entire election was a corruption of their purpose. They went from a transparency organization speaking truth to power to a willing laundering front for Russia and Trump.
Do you have a source on Wikileaks actively coordinating timing with Roger Stone? Regarding this, Wikileaks said they never spoke to Roger Stone and Roger Stone only said under oath his communication with Wikileaks was with a third party journalist. Furthermore, Wikileaks went as far as saying they timed their leaks to counteract hitpieces from the press (which was more than happy to attack real journalism).
It doesn’t help, that’s for sure. But it’s also not proven that it was unrelated. Seth Rich could very have been the leak.
They never changed. They always leaked what they could verify. The only thing that changed was their supporters decided some truths shouldn’t be shared. Honestly, the fact we talk about Wikileaks rather than the content of the emails (not that there’s much there) shows we’re shooting the messenger, which is obviously the wrong approach.
It wasn’t a hit piece. The leak was timed to blunt the release of the Access Hollywood tape, where Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women. Regardless of how exactly the coordination happened, Stone did coordinate. He also had been in direct communication with Assange over Twitter DM.
A key part of the conspiracy theory is that Seth Rich was a computer person or something at the DNC, and would therefore have had access to the email servers. The problem with this is that he was the wrong type of computer person. At no point was he in a position where he would have been given access to the email servers.
To cinch it up, the actual source of the leak, the GRU cover persona “Guccifer 2.0”, communicated with Wikileaks four days after Seth Rich was dead.
If they kept to merely releasing leaks I might buy this. But the moment they started timing it specifically to protect Donald Trump, that’s where they have crossed the line from anti-secrecy organization to political operatives with a weak veneer. The fact that they were playing political operative for Trump, a man who has broken numerous transparency norms and glorifies strongmen leaders, just makes it worse.
You misunderstood my point regarding timing. Wikileaks was releasing leaks to counteract press hits against Wikileaks, not press leaks against Trump. I don’t have a source on this one in particular, but it was brought up by Julian Assange in a live stream way back when the leaks were happening.
I was talking about the Podesta leak specially. It was released within hours of the Access Hollywood tapes. I don’t get what Wikileaks would have even dropped to counteract press hits.
Yup. They can’t really be trusted again after that