Tell me then how open and good the discussion is on 8chan or the other uncensored free speech sites like it. Any site that tries to make their site have unequivocal free speech has always led to being a site full of trolls, nazis, and edgy teens. This isn’t conductive for quality discussion. (unless you want “quality discussion” of race science and other fascist garbage) If you want good discussion then you need to moderate the space. Go to any technology board and see how much they moderate. Go to hobby forums and see how much they moderate. Some may be more lax than others, but moderation is key to making your site a place where people enjoy being and feel comfortable enough to participate.
I’m not arguing against moderation, I’m just saying that maybe a communication platform shouldn’t have hard coded word bans 🤷🏾♂️
I’m not against automated tools for moderation, I actually support them and advocate for that feature to be added to Mastodon and Pleroma. But it should be an easily customize feature disabled by default that allows instances to pick whatever words they want to ban, or to not ban words at all.
The reason lemmy has a hardcoded slur filter is because almost all the reddit alternatives end up as alt-right cesspools. The hardcoded slur filter is to make it less appealing to those people… It does cause some issues in other languages and the lemmy devs know and are working on fixing that.
Why should all instances by default be forced to ban the same words? That is just preposterous in my view and cannot possibly serve all users properly.
Moderation should be up to the admins, not the code itself. Something is wrong if you cannot properly moderate your space, and you need a computer to do it for you. Either get more admins, or close registrations.
This is barely anything at all though. It’s literally the bare minimum. Just don’t say r*tard or sl*t and you’ll be fine. and even if you DO say it you don’t get banned or kicked or muted. It just replaces the text with removed
I don’t even plan on saying those words, I just think that the software should allow the blacklist feature to be configurable in the UI to easily allow for these two things to happen:
Instances who don’t want censorship can easily disable the blacklist
Instances that want stronger censorship can easily add more words to the blacklist
Another use here mentioned that you can change the settings in the source code, which is a good start. Not sure how that’s better than just using Lenny tho.
bruh this is not censorship though. It’s moderation. It’s just saying hey don’t use these particular slurs. They aren’t saying you’re not allowed to discuss mentally disabled or neurodiverse people and their struggles, they aren’t saying you can’t discuss sex work and the entire discussion around that, and they aren’t saying you can’t discuss history of slavery, abuse and more of black people in america. They are just saying don’t use the words or if you do need or want to use them put an asterisk or something.
Heh well if you think blocking a small list of words will keep people from saying alt-right things
It won’t, that’s why there are human moderators. It does do a decent job at deterring these sorts of people from participating at all, which I consider a net good.
Tell me then how open and good the discussion is on 8chan or the other uncensored free speech sites like it. Any site that tries to make their site have unequivocal free speech has always led to being a site full of trolls, nazis, and edgy teens. This isn’t conductive for quality discussion. (unless you want “quality discussion” of race science and other fascist garbage) If you want good discussion then you need to moderate the space. Go to any technology board and see how much they moderate. Go to hobby forums and see how much they moderate. Some may be more lax than others, but moderation is key to making your site a place where people enjoy being and feel comfortable enough to participate.
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I’m not arguing against moderation, I’m just saying that maybe a communication platform shouldn’t have hard coded word bans 🤷🏾♂️
I’m not against automated tools for moderation, I actually support them and advocate for that feature to be added to Mastodon and Pleroma. But it should be an easily customize feature disabled by default that allows instances to pick whatever words they want to ban, or to not ban words at all.
The reason lemmy has a hardcoded slur filter is because almost all the reddit alternatives end up as alt-right cesspools. The hardcoded slur filter is to make it less appealing to those people… It does cause some issues in other languages and the lemmy devs know and are working on fixing that.
Heh well if you think blocking a small list of words will keep people from saying alt-right things, I can’t help ya, buddy.
If you want to prune extremism from a platform just moderate your spaces properly.
what do you think the hardcoded filter is lmao
Why should all instances by default be forced to ban the same words? That is just preposterous in my view and cannot possibly serve all users properly.
Moderation should be up to the admins, not the code itself. Something is wrong if you cannot properly moderate your space, and you need a computer to do it for you. Either get more admins, or close registrations.
This is barely anything at all though. It’s literally the bare minimum. Just don’t say r*tard or sl*t and you’ll be fine. and even if you DO say it you don’t get banned or kicked or muted. It just replaces the text with removed
I don’t even plan on saying those words, I just think that the software should allow the blacklist feature to be configurable in the UI to easily allow for these two things to happen:
Another use here mentioned that you can change the settings in the source code, which is a good start. Not sure how that’s better than just using Lenny tho.
bruh this is not censorship though. It’s moderation. It’s just saying hey don’t use these particular slurs. They aren’t saying you’re not allowed to discuss mentally disabled or neurodiverse people and their struggles, they aren’t saying you can’t discuss sex work and the entire discussion around that, and they aren’t saying you can’t discuss history of slavery, abuse and more of black people in america. They are just saying don’t use the words or if you do need or want to use them put an asterisk or something.
It won’t, that’s why there are human moderators. It does do a decent job at deterring these sorts of people from participating at all, which I consider a net good.