I like astrology i remember before i got off social media there was pretty cool comrades who examined like astrological placements during the Soviet revolution, which was very interesting to me…
It’s sort of strange that you would say that Indigenous peoples practiced the most “ancient, humble, sacred and beautiful” way of life but also blanket condemn astrology as “cosmic phrenology” and not a religion.
Have you ever actually spoken to an Indigenous person? Are you aware of the multitudes of astrological inspirations in Indigenous religions? One thing that is rather common in Turtle Island religions is a view that Indigenous people were born from the stars, the stars are kin and ancestor, and the stars can offer guidance and advice.
This is true in Indigenous religions all over. Celtic peoples also practiced a form of astrology that was violently suppressed by Christian missionaries in the early days of colonization.
Early Muslim astrologers (that’s right, astrologers, not astronomers) were mathematical pioneers.
Whether you believe it or not, it’s not for you to condemn its very existence when it offers comfort to many, is frequently applied to liberation and radical politics, and has never once been responsible for genocides, colonization, crusades…
You can block an astrology community, you know? You don’t have to engage with it. But there’s nothing more colonial than saying someone else’s spirituality is inherently reactionary and likening it to actual genocidal race science.
I think the “daughters of the witches you couldn’t burn” white middle-class aesthetic has made people a lot more critical of it than its relatively niche applications warrant, so it’s understandable. It does have a rich history in a lot of cultures, but that’s not what gets the optics, obviously, because what middle-class white people do is always the spotlight.
Whether you believe it or not, it’s not for you to condemn its very existence when it offers comfort to many, is frequently applied to liberation and radical politics, and has never once been responsible for genocides, colonization, crusades…>
Cite some sources for this claim, not take it in a confrontational tone. These are things that personally affect me, I don’t claim they are inherently anything, but its destructive power is experienced by people who you claim to speak behalf of. Astrology is complex, indigenous, used for radical cause but you haven’t lived in a society that practice it. Your fascination is only due to it being regarded as superstition by the westerners.
Cite some sources that there haven’t been astrology-based genocides or crusades??? What?
Also, I am, in fact, not even a little bit fascinated with or interested in astrology. Nor have I ever claimed to speak on behalf of anyone. However I do not agree with a stance that we should ban discussions surrounding religions. If your life has been severely impacted by astrology, then a communist astrology community would in fact be a perfect place for you to explain that, and a discussion about the application of astrology can be had.
Christianity has been used as a bludgeon against me and as a leverage for enacting anti-queer legislation. I would never presume to ban a christian community that sought to explore these ideas and apply the christian ideals of community and love to communism.
Spirituality is personal, and not to be controlled or censored insofar as it isn’t used to harm others, and negotiating that line and reimagining spirituality in a communist society is exactly the point of such communities on here.
Do not conflict religion, astrology and spirituality. I did not appeal to ban anything, anyone can start a community here. Spirituality in post rev society should be discussed and studied. I asked to cite sources for astrology used for radical causes . In anything that I said never dismissed religion nor spirituality but only astrology.
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Why not? (:
I like astrology i remember before i got off social media there was pretty cool comrades who examined like astrological placements during the Soviet revolution, which was very interesting to me…
Astrology (the pseudoscience), not astronomy?
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It’s sort of strange that you would say that Indigenous peoples practiced the most “ancient, humble, sacred and beautiful” way of life but also blanket condemn astrology as “cosmic phrenology” and not a religion.
Have you ever actually spoken to an Indigenous person? Are you aware of the multitudes of astrological inspirations in Indigenous religions? One thing that is rather common in Turtle Island religions is a view that Indigenous people were born from the stars, the stars are kin and ancestor, and the stars can offer guidance and advice.
This is true in Indigenous religions all over. Celtic peoples also practiced a form of astrology that was violently suppressed by Christian missionaries in the early days of colonization.
Early Muslim astrologers (that’s right, astrologers, not astronomers) were mathematical pioneers.
Whether you believe it or not, it’s not for you to condemn its very existence when it offers comfort to many, is frequently applied to liberation and radical politics, and has never once been responsible for genocides, colonization, crusades…
You can block an astrology community, you know? You don’t have to engage with it. But there’s nothing more colonial than saying someone else’s spirituality is inherently reactionary and likening it to actual genocidal race science.
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Thank you so much
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I think the “daughters of the witches you couldn’t burn” white middle-class aesthetic has made people a lot more critical of it than its relatively niche applications warrant, so it’s understandable. It does have a rich history in a lot of cultures, but that’s not what gets the optics, obviously, because what middle-class white people do is always the spotlight.
I am not white, so I’m not surprised by the reaction i got here
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Cite some sources for this claim, not take it in a confrontational tone. These are things that personally affect me, I don’t claim they are inherently anything, but its destructive power is experienced by people who you claim to speak behalf of. Astrology is complex, indigenous, used for radical cause but you haven’t lived in a society that practice it. Your fascination is only due to it being regarded as superstition by the westerners.
Cite some sources that there haven’t been astrology-based genocides or crusades??? What?
Also, I am, in fact, not even a little bit fascinated with or interested in astrology. Nor have I ever claimed to speak on behalf of anyone. However I do not agree with a stance that we should ban discussions surrounding religions. If your life has been severely impacted by astrology, then a communist astrology community would in fact be a perfect place for you to explain that, and a discussion about the application of astrology can be had.
Christianity has been used as a bludgeon against me and as a leverage for enacting anti-queer legislation. I would never presume to ban a christian community that sought to explore these ideas and apply the christian ideals of community and love to communism.
Spirituality is personal, and not to be controlled or censored insofar as it isn’t used to harm others, and negotiating that line and reimagining spirituality in a communist society is exactly the point of such communities on here.
Do not conflict religion, astrology and spirituality. I did not appeal to ban anything, anyone can start a community here. Spirituality in post rev society should be discussed and studied. I asked to cite sources for astrology used for radical causes . In anything that I said never dismissed religion nor spirituality but only astrology.
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