Context for anyone who hasn’t seen it: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/378831?scrollToComments=true
Tldr lemmy mods apologising for fash on lemmy and the mods/admins/users defending the bigot as they recruit others to their dogshit instance.
Oh also one user calling lgbtq+ user a pedophile pushing that same vile rhetoric used by fascists to dehumanised lgbtq+ people and they didn’t get banned immediately. So criticalresist gets banned for telling users to fuck off but using dehumanising homophobia to bully a Comrade is a-ok by lemmy mod standards.
Leftist social media? What a laugh. They stand for nothing and fall for everything.
Update: the wolfballs admin seems to have fled while deleting their comments and the abjectly homophobic comment by another user was removed but further comments continuing the bs idea that a user here is a groomer because she is part of the lgbtq+ community persist further legitimising that assumption that the two (lgbtq+ and noncing) are somehow linked.
Do better lemmy.
Just something to note…
A few weeks ago, but after the PatSoc purge, there was some talk about defederating Lemmygrad from Lemmy.
At about the same time, there was some discussion about wrecker / fed tactics and a link to some guidance on Hexbear.
It was suggested that we ignore the calls to defederate coming from within Lemmygrad because it appeared to stem from wrecker / fed behaviour.
I am not suggesting that those highlighting the current problems here and in other posts in the last few days are wreckers. Far from it! Well done comrades for highlighting and combating crypto-fascism, transphobia, and homophobia. There is no place for that bigotry in this world, never mind leftist spaces.
But I think we should be careful.
It seems like too much of a coincidence that so soon after we resolve to defeat the wreckers operating from within Lemmygrad, we are at risk of arguing for the same result (defederation) because of activity on Lemmy.
If Lemmygrad / Lemmy are targeted by fascists, etc, as something to bring down (we’ve seen this with DDOS attacks, I believe) or take over, it would not surprise me to learn that they have several techniques, even if this is not coordinated (although it could be).
Most people are liberals (in the West, at least), which means most people would gravitate to liberal rather than ML spaces. Which means people leaving e.g. Reddit (a primarily US or Western space) may be more likely to join Lemmy (being leftist) than Lemmygrad (being ML).
As Lemmy grows, liberalism on Lemmy is also likely to grow. Of course, MLs do not see any brand of liberal as leftist, although liberals may be progressive and open to ML thought if it were packaged in the right way.
And what are liberals going to find on Lemmy now? Especially LGBT liberals? They’re going to find evidence that whatever they have heard about communism, it’s only the communists who staunchly stand up against bigotry and for the oppressed.
My main point is to say thank you to those comrades who opposed bigotry over the last few days. Admirable work.
My secondary point – and I’m not terribly convinced that LGBT people should have to face transphobia and homophobia just to be martyrs for their own humanity – is that although dealing with liberal intransigence is frustrating, the steadfast anti-fascism displayed over the last few days could be quite radicalising and lead people towards Lemmygrad.
If you’re equally unconvinced by the idea that bigotry is somehow good, my third point is that arguing against bigotry under the Lemmygrad banner may leave a trail of breadcrumbs for LGBT people and others to find a safe, bigotry-free home here, where they will be supported, etc.
Just an addition/clarification to the first part of your comment.
For defederation to happen, admins at either instance have to block the other one.
This means if we decide at Lemmygrad to block Lemmy, we will not see their content and they will not see our content either. It just needs to be unilateral for defederation to happen.
At Lemmygrad, to be entirely clear, there is no talk whatsoever to defederate. The only time we briefly mentioned the possibility was at the start of federation, when there were only 2 instances, and because it was new and exciting we got lots of libs coming to check lemmygrad out and bring their lib stuff here.
I cannot say what Lemmy thinks about defederating with Lemmygrad. I want to say they don’t entertain it either, but seeing what nutomic has been saying, I’m honestly not so sure. Regardless I don’t have any information about their discussions.