• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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    42 years ago

    Umm… nope. The Europe is in crisis because many countries made poor decisions, relying in cheap energy when knowing the possible risks.

    Relying on cheap energy from Russia is what allowed Europe to become economically successful. This was recognized even back during USSR times. The stupid decision was to create an enemy out of USSR and then Russia instead of seeking peaceful coexistence.

    It has nothing to do with being “pawn” for US or some other propaganda you claim.

    It has everything to do with being a pawn of the US, and volumes of literature have been written on the subject. US has dominated European policy since WW2. The fact that you think this is propaganda shows just how ignorant and intellectually impoverished you are.

    The people are protesting because goverments made decisions to rely on Russia and didn’t left any other doors open.

    People are protesting because their standard of living is collapsing due to Europe starting an economic war with Russia. That’s a simple fact that propagandists like you continue to deny. You can keep on screeching all you like, but that won’t change reality of the situation.

    People surely are not protesting to get cheap Russian energy back. I

    They literally are protesting to get cheap Russian energy back.

    Europe has a lot of other choices. Someone are just wishing that bending the knee is the only option. It’s easy to see who those people are.

    It does not. over 60% of Russian energy imports have no replacement. Anybody with even bare minimum understanding of how energy markets work knows this. You can keep spewing your nonsense here all you like, but by the time winter rolls around you’ll have hard time convincing anyone with your bending the knee speeches. Might even get your ass kicked.

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        32 years ago

        Well, if you decide to invade a neighbour country and threat others, peaceful coexistence can be quite difficult, or even impossible.

        Ah, we’re back to the notion that Russia invaded Ukraine completely unprovoked and this was not a result of decades of NATO policy towards Russia.

        I don’t think it’s realistic that anyone wants to be a pawn to a country that removes rights from people, denies free speech and jails anyone that opposes the government or current leader. It’s only logical that people seek friends elsewhere.

        You seem to be pretty happy being a pawn of the US regime that does all these things.

        Umm, no they’re not. Except if they are a neighbour country or have some strange relations to Russia.

        They literally are.

        Well, some countries do. And they’ve already looked elsewhere from deals. Some don’t have a replacement, that’s true. But the markets will not return to the state they were before the war.

        You clearly don’t understand how food and energy production works if you think that.

        Here bending the knee is not an option. People rather freeze instead.

        We’ll see what these people say when they’re actually freezing.

        Is this a threat? It’s a strange thing you condemn the war but you still hope that we get our asses kicked.

        It’s very obviously not a threat. Simply an observation that people might react poorly to your rhetoric when they’re starving and freezing their asses off. It doesn’t appear that you comprehend that.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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            52 years ago

            Brave words from someone who doesn’t have to make any personal sacrifices.

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                First of all, Europe cutting itself off from Russian energy had zero negative impact on Russian energy exports to date. If anything, Russia is making more money from energy exports than it ever has. This idiotic policy only hurts people in Europe.

                Second, the war is a direct result of western actions since the fall of USSR. This is a well documented fact. Here’s what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

                https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

                https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

                50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

                George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.

                Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"

                Academics, such as John Mearsheimer, gave talks explaining why NATO actions would ultimately lead to conflict this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

                These and many other voices were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

                The war in Ukraine will not be won by the west, and all the west is doing is ensuring that more Ukrainians die and more people in the west suffer.

                All so that psychopaths can feel good about not bending the knee. Amazing how easy for you to fuck over lives of millions of people for your ideology. You are the definition of human garbage.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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                    42 years ago

                    Still, cutting Europe from Russian’s energy and progressing to a more independent on that front benefits Europe more in the long run. So it’s not just sanctions.

                    Europe could be doing that without sabotaging its economy. Absolutely nothing stops Europe from building out alternative energy infrastructure while continuing having a secure energy supply.

                    It’s already a broken record by the propaganda front that this war is happening because of the western actions.

                    It’s not propaganda. It’s literally what pretty much every western expert has been saying for decades. It’s absolutely surreal that people continue to deny this.

                    What about Putin dismissing a peace proposal in the spring:

                    What about Bojo sabotaging the deal in April? https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1564666561335525377

                    And by bending the knee millions of people have been killed or injured just because of cheap energy. Hooray for your ideals. If something is fucked, that certainly is.

                    Ah right, the thing you made up as opposed to thing that’s actually happening.

                    Concerning you, it’s safe to remove the “human” part from the definition of garbage.

                    Says the guy who’s willing to fuck over millions for his ideology.