You are thinking winning and losing too black and white. Russia already lost one when they failed to invade Kyiv. That one Ukraine won. It depends on the outcome who loses and wins, and what.
First of all, I haven’t seen Russia claim anywhere that taking Kyiv was their stated objective. What Russia said was that the objectives demilitarization of Ukraine and backing independence of Donbas. Both of these objectives are currently being achieved.
However, the bigger picture here is the geopolitical realignment that’s happening. The west failed to get majority of the countries in the world to side with it against Russia. We’re now seeing a new economic system developing that’s completely separate from the western financial system. The winners from this debacle will be US, China, Russia, and the biggest loser will be Europe. The unipolar world dominated by the west is now gone forever.
When speaking about electricity markets in Finland, the prices are increasing now but we are actually going to be self-sufficient in electricity production next year. So, expecting a crash next spring. Other countries with more dependency with Russia are of course having a hard time.
Last I checked Europe is a bit bigger than Finland.
And you, an anonymous Internet troll claims to be an expert? Don’t make me laugh.
No, I claim that experts like Pentagon and RUSI are experts. All my claims are backed by what western militaries are saying as opposed to tabloid news you like to reference.
I think you need to work on your reading because I have not made any claims related to prolonging anyones’s suffering.
Of course you have, you back Finland prolonging the war and that is the direct outcome.
EDIT: And now, after switching the talk AGAIN to geopolitics, are you ready to condemn the atrocities made by Russia? We’ve seen you condemn US, NATO and west already.
Of course, any atrocities committed by Russia are as reprehensible as those by NATO and its allies. Why would that be hard for me to say exactly?
This is also false. It’s a small minority of countries that actually support Russia.
This is literally false. Take a look at the UN vote to condemn Russia. Most countries either voted against or abstained. The west was isolated and failed to get any further support since.
Yes. But Finland is in Europe and gives one example. Just like you gave a link to UK’s situation. Europe is bigger than UK.
Look at who’s cherry picking. How are things going in Germany, Italy, and all the other countries where the economies are crashing.
Then can you explain why majority of countries are behaving the opposite the experts you quote say? Last time I checked goverments listen to their experts.
If governments listened to their experts then the west would’ve never started an economic war with Russia. All the experts warned against it.
Again, this is only your opinion. Not a false claim made by me.
The false claim made by you is that Ukraine can win this war. This claim is at odds with the facts.
Because you haven’t condemned those before.
I have in many previous discussions.
What’s your opinion about the latest war crimes, like forcing people in the eastern Ukraine to fight on Russia’s side?
Same as my opinion on other batshit insane things you make up. These are products of a deeply disturbed and deranged mind.
Or making the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant as a tool for blackmail?
How is Russia using a nuclear power plant as a tool for blackmail?
What? This is false. I’m not sure what is your understanding about “most countries”. How the vote actually went: “In an emergency session, 141 of the 193 member states voted for the resolution, (to condemn Russia) 35 abstained and five voted against”, so you are talking straight BS again.
What? 😂 You used UK as an example, I used Finland, and now I’m the one cherry-picking?
I used UK, France, Italy, Germany, and majority of European nations where economies are currently crashing as examples.
False again.
True again, but no point arguing with qanon.
You are twisting my words. I have been constantly talking claims concerning Finland. You try to change the subject to the war itself.
You’ve been constantly talking about Finland helping prolong the war. You want people in Ukraine to suffer and die longer so you feel safer.
You claim to be an expert and you don’t know what’s even happening…?
I know what’s happening, and it’s different from the bullshit war propagandists sell.
Oh, and by the way. In previous thread you claimed that the news about Russian troops dying in large amounts is false, and you only believe what the US military experts say about the issue.
Yeah that’s why Pentagon keeps saying that Russia has most of their original operating power. Somehow, they’re losing 500 troops a day for four months and still haven’t had to send more troops in. Galaxy brain logic there.
Anyways, you do you there. Soon the war will be over, and war propagandists will be exposed for what they are. Enjoy acting smug while you can.
Are you high? You spoke about UN vote to condemn Russia. The vote you linked is to suspending Russia from Human Rights Council. It’s a different vote, and even in that the majority was against Russia. So who’s the one spreading misinformation?
The condemnation of the war means nothing. I’m talking about actual tangible action countries are taking. The most important action being economic warfare where the west finds itself isolated.
Clearly you haven’t been following the progress in the electricity production if you think all those countries are going to sink and not rise.
Clearly you have no understanding how energy production works or the amount of time and effort it takes to transition off fossils. Makes sense that you’d deluded about this as you are about everything else.
Then why do you keep arguing with me? Does the troll factory pay you per message?
Nobody is forcing you to reply. You could just walk away, yet here you are making false statements and calling people trolls. What’s wrong with you?
Where’s the propaganda? Russia is keeping the nuclear plant and doesn’t want to demilitarize it, while bombing it, putting people at major risk. At the same time they report that “accidents might happen”.
Wait Russia is bombing a nuclear power plant that it controls. That’s precisely the kind of logic I’ve come to expect from your brilliant mind.
The report doesn’t say they’ve losing 500 per day for four months. Don’t you remember the previous report? That is the situation now. Universum brain logic there.
So Russia just all of a sudden started losing 500 troops a day for no reason when Ukraine’s army is at its weakest. Got it.
My words exactly.
Can’t wait to see your words in a couple of months. Should be pretty hilarious to watch.
I really admire your endless devotion to your cause of propaganda. It’s pretty clear that you can go on indefinitely, so I’m just going to stop here. It’s obvious that I’m not going to convince you of anything, and I doubt anybody else is reading this at this point.
All I’m going to say is that the truth of what I said will become impossible to ignore in the coming months and years. People tend to best learn from experience, and I hope you will be able to internalize your coming experience and do self reflection in the future.
First of all, I haven’t seen Russia claim anywhere that taking Kyiv was their stated objective. What Russia said was that the objectives demilitarization of Ukraine and backing independence of Donbas. Both of these objectives are currently being achieved.
However, the bigger picture here is the geopolitical realignment that’s happening. The west failed to get majority of the countries in the world to side with it against Russia. We’re now seeing a new economic system developing that’s completely separate from the western financial system. The winners from this debacle will be US, China, Russia, and the biggest loser will be Europe. The unipolar world dominated by the west is now gone forever.
Last I checked Europe is a bit bigger than Finland.
No, I claim that experts like Pentagon and RUSI are experts. All my claims are backed by what western militaries are saying as opposed to tabloid news you like to reference.
Of course you have, you back Finland prolonging the war and that is the direct outcome.
Of course, any atrocities committed by Russia are as reprehensible as those by NATO and its allies. Why would that be hard for me to say exactly?
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The indisputably are, even Ukraine admits this.
This is literally false. Take a look at the UN vote to condemn Russia. Most countries either voted against or abstained. The west was isolated and failed to get any further support since.
Look at who’s cherry picking. How are things going in Germany, Italy, and all the other countries where the economies are crashing.
If governments listened to their experts then the west would’ve never started an economic war with Russia. All the experts warned against it.
The false claim made by you is that Ukraine can win this war. This claim is at odds with the facts.
I have in many previous discussions.
Same as my opinion on other batshit insane things you make up. These are products of a deeply disturbed and deranged mind.
How is Russia using a nuclear power plant as a tool for blackmail?
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meanwhile in the real world 93 nations voted for, with 58 abstaining and 24 voting against https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115782
I used UK, France, Italy, Germany, and majority of European nations where economies are currently crashing as examples.
True again, but no point arguing with qanon.
You’ve been constantly talking about Finland helping prolong the war. You want people in Ukraine to suffer and die longer so you feel safer.
I know what’s happening, and it’s different from the bullshit war propagandists sell.
Yeah that’s why Pentagon keeps saying that Russia has most of their original operating power. Somehow, they’re losing 500 troops a day for four months and still haven’t had to send more troops in. Galaxy brain logic there.
Anyways, you do you there. Soon the war will be over, and war propagandists will be exposed for what they are. Enjoy acting smug while you can.
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The condemnation of the war means nothing. I’m talking about actual tangible action countries are taking. The most important action being economic warfare where the west finds itself isolated.
Clearly you have no understanding how energy production works or the amount of time and effort it takes to transition off fossils. Makes sense that you’d deluded about this as you are about everything else.
Nobody is forcing you to reply. You could just walk away, yet here you are making false statements and calling people trolls. What’s wrong with you?
Wait Russia is bombing a nuclear power plant that it controls. That’s precisely the kind of logic I’ve come to expect from your brilliant mind.
So Russia just all of a sudden started losing 500 troops a day for no reason when Ukraine’s army is at its weakest. Got it.
Can’t wait to see your words in a couple of months. Should be pretty hilarious to watch.
You have a good day of seething coping there bud.
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I really admire your endless devotion to your cause of propaganda. It’s pretty clear that you can go on indefinitely, so I’m just going to stop here. It’s obvious that I’m not going to convince you of anything, and I doubt anybody else is reading this at this point.
All I’m going to say is that the truth of what I said will become impossible to ignore in the coming months and years. People tend to best learn from experience, and I hope you will be able to internalize your coming experience and do self reflection in the future.