Your claim that Ukrainians outside of Donbass are uniformly pro regime is not based in reality.
I claimed that it’s probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russia’s invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
Especially places like Odessa or Kharkov.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesn’t mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
I strongly encourage you to read this report from the Royal United Services Institute in UK that clearly explains why NATO cannot offer any real protection to countries.
It’s a good report, but it doesn’t say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
I claimed that it’s probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russia’s invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
You assume that out of ignorance.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesn’t mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
It’s a good report, but it doesn’t say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging. If you don’t understand that, then read the report again.
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, I’m all ears.
The people themselves explain it in the video I linked. Here’s the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine for you. People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking that’s propaganda as opposed to whatever you’re guzzling.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
No it can’t, you can’t create an industrial base overnight and anybody who’s not an utter imbecile understands that.
People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
Now who’s assuming?
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking that’s propaganda as opposed to whatever you’re guzzling.
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked? His Russian handlers tell him to head down a road, and lo and behold there is someone there to tell you about all the Ukrainian atrocities! I mean, sure it’s just a Russian soldier or separatist militia member that they stuck some civilian clothes on, but those are just details.
I’m not assuming anything. This is what the people there say, and that’s why we’re not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked?
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
This is what the people there say, and that’s why we’re not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
I’m sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, what’s left of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism. But I’m certainly not trusting an easily faked YouTube video from someone who is obviously a propagandist spouting Russian talking points.
I’m sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, what’s left of it.
Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken? What you don’t seem to get is that people from LPR and DPR are the ones doing most of the work on the ground, not Russia. These are people who live in these areas and they’re not seen as occupiers.
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism.
You regurgitate pure propaganda in every one of your comments. According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.
Oh look at you little Ukraine understander there. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want there, but the reality of the situation is pretty clear. Imbecilic propagandists like you are going to have their work cut out for them going forward explaining what’s happening. Your whole narrative is collapsing and it’s becoming more obvious by the day.
I think you’ve been watching so much Russian-aligned propaganda about Ukraine that you’ve hit the Dunning-Kruger effect. You’re more than willing to call other people idiots, but it sounds like you’ve been feeding for hours at the trough of outright Russian propaganda. Not news media with some bias, literal government propaganda. All governments involved do it to some degree, but it doesn’t mean you have to accept it. At this point it seems like you’re not even considering whether you’re being manipulated, as long as the manipulator is aligned with Russia.
I claimed that it’s probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russia’s invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesn’t mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
It’s a good report, but it doesn’t say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
You assume that out of ignorance.
Here’s what people as they themselves put it.
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging. If you don’t understand that, then read the report again.
Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, I’m all ears.
That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.
Edit: More from this video.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
The people themselves explain it in the video I linked. Here’s the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine for you. People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking that’s propaganda as opposed to whatever you’re guzzling.
No it can’t, you can’t create an industrial base overnight and anybody who’s not an utter imbecile understands that.
Now who’s assuming?
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked? His Russian handlers tell him to head down a road, and lo and behold there is someone there to tell you about all the Ukrainian atrocities! I mean, sure it’s just a Russian soldier or separatist militia member that they stuck some civilian clothes on, but those are just details.
I’m not assuming anything. This is what the people there say, and that’s why we’re not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
That can be faked easily.
I’m sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, what’s left of it.
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism. But I’m certainly not trusting an easily faked YouTube video from someone who is obviously a propagandist spouting Russian talking points.
Unlike the propaganda you consume presumably.
Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken? What you don’t seem to get is that people from LPR and DPR are the ones doing most of the work on the ground, not Russia. These are people who live in these areas and they’re not seen as occupiers.
You regurgitate pure propaganda in every one of your comments. According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.
Have you seen pictures of Mariupol before and after it was bombed to shit? Russia did that, there is no escaping that reality.
The fuck? I disagree with Chomsky, but I never called him a propagandist. Patrick Lancaster and his ilk are propagandists.
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That map supports what I said you dumb fuck.
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Oh look at you little Ukraine understander there. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want there, but the reality of the situation is pretty clear. Imbecilic propagandists like you are going to have their work cut out for them going forward explaining what’s happening. Your whole narrative is collapsing and it’s becoming more obvious by the day.
I think you’ve been watching so much Russian-aligned propaganda about Ukraine that you’ve hit the Dunning-Kruger effect. You’re more than willing to call other people idiots, but it sounds like you’ve been feeding for hours at the trough of outright Russian propaganda. Not news media with some bias, literal government propaganda. All governments involved do it to some degree, but it doesn’t mean you have to accept it. At this point it seems like you’re not even considering whether you’re being manipulated, as long as the manipulator is aligned with Russia.
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