I’m not a communist, but one thing that stood out to me was someone saying “not everyone needs a car”.
When I first heard this quote, I dismissed it as stupid and cope. “Of course everyone needs a car. You’re only saying that because your economy can’t produce it.”.
Now, I look back and see life differently. A simple life that isn’t trying to make some GDP go up is bliss. Being able to live in a town without feeling a need to push your career or bank account every day is what many people want.
Yes, we need a strong economy for medical advancements and better quality of life, but if we get there a little bit slower, is it really a huge loss?
Actually, to be honest, not everybody needs a car because public transport exists. But people should have cars because it represents the economic stability of their nation.
I’m glad you called out public transit as a solution to cars, but if you read my point again, I’m arguing that the “economic” part is overrated.
The United States, by GDP and by stock marketcap, is the strongest economy in the history of the world right now. But how does it feel? I personally live quite well in the US - But I see the struggles of people who don’t. How does the best economy in the world have so much suffering? So much misinformation? So much hatred?
The economic strength of communism is very debatable (is North Korea a failed economy, or is that the result of tight sanctions?) - and again, I’m not a communist - I honestly believe that capitalism leads to a stronger economy. But so what? What does the bottom 95% have to show for it? Are they happier? Are they living the life they want to live?
Well, the answer to that is very obvious: No. No, we aren’t living the way we want to live. Communism isn’t the solution, I know, of course. But don’t get me wrong, capitalism made us the strongest nation economically. But Capitalism has its flaws and a ton of shit that comes with it. Frankly, I’m anti-capitalist and anti-marxist. The reason behind the suffering in the USA is simple: Liberalism. Liberalism rains suffering upon people. That’s the job of Liberalism. It was created to do so.
And as for North Korea, it would have failed with or without sanctions.
capitalism made us the strongest nation economically.
Ok so you started this thread by saying
I want to talk about is what a communist economy would look like
The point I’ve made is that, while capitalism is a vehicle to push a better economy, “the economy” is not something 95% of the people actually need.
Frankly, I’m anti-capitalist and anti-marxist. The reason behind the suffering in the USA is simple: Liberalism. Liberalism rains suffering upon people. That’s the job of Liberalism
You might be surprised to find yourself agreeing with Karl Marx, who argued that liberal freedoms (like private property and market competition) lead to exploitation.
And as for North Korea, it would have failed with or without sanctions.
That’s… Hard to say. Imagine building medical equipment for example; in the US, we buy refined steel from overseas, mass-produce specialized equipment, and sell it off around the world. In North Korea, they need to build the mines (with home-made mining equipment), refine the steel, build logistics for factories, and then build the tools… and then that doesn’t scale, because North Korea doesn’t need 1 million MRI machines, and they can’t sell any excess ones. Basically, sanctions prevent industries from scaling, so I would argue that the sanctions have made it virtually impossible for North Korea to progress past where they are now.
“You might be surprised to find yourself agreeing with Karl Marx, who argued that liberal freedoms (like private property and market competition) lead to exploitation.”
No, I don’t. Because Liberalism doesn’t lead to “exploitation”, well, actually, take that back. It kind of does. But, the main issue with Liberalism is that it degrades society, it brainwashes people, it destroys religion, it destroys and corrupts everything it touches. It confuses everybody. It makes people of a society incoherent.
I would argue that people do in fact need an economy, because the economy is what makes it possible for people to buy the things they want/need.
I suppose so, that sanctions do have a massive affect on North Korea, however, its economic system (aka communism) is what causes them to be sanctioned.
I’m not a communist, but one thing that stood out to me was someone saying “not everyone needs a car”.
When I first heard this quote, I dismissed it as stupid and cope. “Of course everyone needs a car. You’re only saying that because your economy can’t produce it.”.
Now, I look back and see life differently. A simple life that isn’t trying to make some GDP go up is bliss. Being able to live in a town without feeling a need to push your career or bank account every day is what many people want.
Yes, we need a strong economy for medical advancements and better quality of life, but if we get there a little bit slower, is it really a huge loss?
Actually, to be honest, not everybody needs a car because public transport exists. But people should have cars because it represents the economic stability of their nation.
I’m glad you called out public transit as a solution to cars, but if you read my point again, I’m arguing that the “economic” part is overrated.
The United States, by GDP and by stock marketcap, is the strongest economy in the history of the world right now. But how does it feel? I personally live quite well in the US - But I see the struggles of people who don’t. How does the best economy in the world have so much suffering? So much misinformation? So much hatred?
The economic strength of communism is very debatable (is North Korea a failed economy, or is that the result of tight sanctions?) - and again, I’m not a communist - I honestly believe that capitalism leads to a stronger economy. But so what? What does the bottom 95% have to show for it? Are they happier? Are they living the life they want to live?
Well, the answer to that is very obvious: No. No, we aren’t living the way we want to live. Communism isn’t the solution, I know, of course. But don’t get me wrong, capitalism made us the strongest nation economically. But Capitalism has its flaws and a ton of shit that comes with it. Frankly, I’m anti-capitalist and anti-marxist. The reason behind the suffering in the USA is simple: Liberalism. Liberalism rains suffering upon people. That’s the job of Liberalism. It was created to do so.
And as for North Korea, it would have failed with or without sanctions.
Ok so you started this thread by saying
The point I’ve made is that, while capitalism is a vehicle to push a better economy, “the economy” is not something 95% of the people actually need.
You might be surprised to find yourself agreeing with Karl Marx, who argued that liberal freedoms (like private property and market competition) lead to exploitation.
That’s… Hard to say. Imagine building medical equipment for example; in the US, we buy refined steel from overseas, mass-produce specialized equipment, and sell it off around the world. In North Korea, they need to build the mines (with home-made mining equipment), refine the steel, build logistics for factories, and then build the tools… and then that doesn’t scale, because North Korea doesn’t need 1 million MRI machines, and they can’t sell any excess ones. Basically, sanctions prevent industries from scaling, so I would argue that the sanctions have made it virtually impossible for North Korea to progress past where they are now.
“You might be surprised to find yourself agreeing with Karl Marx, who argued that liberal freedoms (like private property and market competition) lead to exploitation.”
No, I don’t. Because Liberalism doesn’t lead to “exploitation”, well, actually, take that back. It kind of does. But, the main issue with Liberalism is that it degrades society, it brainwashes people, it destroys religion, it destroys and corrupts everything it touches. It confuses everybody. It makes people of a society incoherent.
I would argue that people do in fact need an economy, because the economy is what makes it possible for people to buy the things they want/need.
I suppose so, that sanctions do have a massive affect on North Korea, however, its economic system (aka communism) is what causes them to be sanctioned.