Is anyone able to provide more nuance into this discussion? Thanks!

    • The Free PenguinOP
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      12 years ago

      AV: He’s young, he’s fit, and then when he was playing soccer he just collapsed out of the blue

      • @OnishiMyers
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        I think that thousands of young, fit people collapse out of the blue all the time. It much rarer than obese sickly people, of course, but it absolutely is not rare.

        https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17522-sudden-cardiac-death-sudden-cardiac-arrest

        Half the US population has gotten the vaccine. So… it’s flat out not even slightly unlikely that in this big old world there’s going to be some cases of sudden cardiac deaths, that came shortly after taking the vaccine, simple statistics. What we actually want to know is trends… can we prove statistically that more people statistically had Sudden cardiac events that got the vaccine, versus people who did not.

        Then of course even further, we then have to weigh the risks. If we demonstrate the increase in risk to one aspect from the vaccine, then we have to compare it to the risks of getting covid without the vaccine, and the odds of getting covid, and the fact is, those 2 things are pretty damn demonstrably significant.

        So in short the plain and simple response is, for every one case you can show me that “might” be caused there’s 1000 cases of people dying because they didn’t get the vaccine.