The other Communist parties on this god forsaken island are only marginally better aswell, they’ve all had issues with either transphobia or sexual assault coverup.
From what I can tell Red Fightback are the only UK party with any brains at all
I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
We shouldn’t be waiting for revolution, we should be organising for Survival until Liberation.
Obviously printing newspapers and sitting back with a cigar is pointless, but you must know that the establishment will never let a Communist government come to power in the UK
I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
Yeah I’m not opposed to running in elections - I just think the campaign should be used to
serve some other purpose since right now the British people are never going to vote en masse for a Communist candidate
Also, the CPB need to actually remember to submit their nomination papers next time lmaoo
I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
Yet their youth wing can never and will never make amends for their awful handling of the sexual assault controversy. Not to mention the opportunist nature of Britains Road to Nowhere and the annoying hatred they seem to have for Stalin
Really? I had them down as more of a Khruschevite party
Count me corrected, still doesn’t change the fact that they waste money on unwinnable elections and think that parliamentarianism+alliance with Labour will lead to Socialism
In my experience Red Fightback are too sectarian. They won’t even agree to meeting representatives of other communist parties.
I recently tried to get all the various organisations in my area to come together around a monthly forum to discuss areas where we could all co-align and they didn’t even entertain the idea. The leadership in CPB, Workers Party, CPG, CPGBML etc at least approached the issue seriously and put forward proposals.
Half the reason why there are so many splinter groups in UK radical politics is because there is no intercourse between the various organisations. A radical political alternative will never coalesce around Britain’s labour movement if its active political organisations aren’t even open to communicating with each other. It’s precisely this kind of thing that has driven the stagnancy of British communism and the tendency towards squabbling little sects.
Red Fightback are never sectarian because of party line or other such things - we’re sectarian towards organisations guilty of transphobia and sexual assault coverup
The SWP had the awful comrade delta thing yes, the WRP had 20 cases of the leader raping party members, the YCL refused to expel a sexual abuser who still remains in the party and the RCG had a similar instance to the YCL
The other Communist parties on this god forsaken island are only marginally better aswell, they’ve all had issues with either transphobia or sexual assault coverup.
From what I can tell Red Fightback are the only UK party with any brains at all
CPB is getting better.
I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
Nah, it’s the same with my org, I getcha.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
We shouldn’t be waiting for revolution, we should be organising for Survival until Liberation.
Obviously printing newspapers and sitting back with a cigar is pointless, but you must know that the establishment will never let a Communist government come to power in the UK
I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
Yeah I’m not opposed to running in elections - I just think the campaign should be used to serve some other purpose since right now the British people are never going to vote en masse for a Communist candidate
Also, the CPB need to actually remember to submit their nomination papers next time lmaoo
I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
Yeah not to mention the Greek Communist Party with their homophobia
Yet their youth wing can never and will never make amends for their awful handling of the sexual assault controversy. Not to mention the opportunist nature of Britains Road to Nowhere and the annoying hatred they seem to have for Stalin
Every CPB member loves Stalin.
Really? I had them down as more of a Khruschevite party
Count me corrected, still doesn’t change the fact that they waste money on unwinnable elections and think that parliamentarianism+alliance with Labour will lead to Socialism
Where I’m at the CPB/YCL lot love papa Stalin.
They don’t.
Have you read BRS?
I have. You’re confusing public policy with what they believe.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views
In my experience Red Fightback are too sectarian. They won’t even agree to meeting representatives of other communist parties.
I recently tried to get all the various organisations in my area to come together around a monthly forum to discuss areas where we could all co-align and they didn’t even entertain the idea. The leadership in CPB, Workers Party, CPG, CPGBML etc at least approached the issue seriously and put forward proposals.
Half the reason why there are so many splinter groups in UK radical politics is because there is no intercourse between the various organisations. A radical political alternative will never coalesce around Britain’s labour movement if its active political organisations aren’t even open to communicating with each other. It’s precisely this kind of thing that has driven the stagnancy of British communism and the tendency towards squabbling little sects.
Red Fightback are never sectarian because of party line or other such things - we’re sectarian towards organisations guilty of transphobia and sexual assault coverup
Are you referring to the SWP affair with Comrade Delta when you talk about sexual assault cover ups here or something else?
The SWP had the awful comrade delta thing yes, the WRP had 20 cases of the leader raping party members, the YCL refused to expel a sexual abuser who still remains in the party and the RCG had a similar instance to the YCL
Can I be annoying and ask for some more details on this? I’m really interested in learning more about the YCL case in particular.
The reason you haven’t heard about the YCL case is because they tried to cover it up
YCL: https://redfightback.org/ycl-must-expel-abusers/ https://twitter.com/jessfem_/status/1354758422487572482
There’s also what perceive as a general aggressive, toxic “lads culture” within the YCL and a general misogynistic outlook.
RCG: https://redfightback.org/a-polemic-against-the-revolutionary-communist-group/
Both?: https://redfightback.org/patriarchal-violence-in-british-marxist-parties/