You are making a lot of assumptions, such as that we treat disasters as a joke and sweep them under the ruq, that we downplay issues etc. with no reason. I have not yet even made a sidebar for the community.
If you are unwilling to give us the opportunity, just say so, there is no need for wild accusations.
When do you mention any disasters and outline this. Right, there are no posts or threads mentioned. So it is quite the opposite, because you also responded in the video youtube link thread that ENTIRELY plays down all downsides of nuclear and make it look like you can drink out of the barrels. This is the first thing that should be linked and mentioned and no one except me and some other fine people here express their concerns.
Nuclear deserves zero opportunity and zero tolerance. At least not from me and I deeply shocked that people play everything down here and want to advertise nuclear energy as solution.
Not mention something or deliberately hiding it to avoid discussions is same as downplaying.
?? You just agreed with me.
If you cannot understand context you should not talk about nuclear energy at all. I said it is the opposite to what that YT dude claims, which was the context but thanks to quoting it so we entirely lose context now.
In March 2012, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda acknowledged that the Japanese government shared the blame for the Fukushima disaster, saying that officials had been blinded by a false belief in the country’s “technological infallibility”, and were all too steeped in a “safety myth”.
Hybris and arrogance is what this is.
Glad that dude gets shit-talked in the comment section. Clowns like him should not be allowed to upload videos on YT, especially not on sensitive topics without providing any source at all for his nonsense.
Now show me a video storing waste for 1 million years under the earth … then you can claim it is secure… there are none … which is bottom line and your lesson here.
The Fukushima I nuclear accident was caused by a “beyond design basis event,” the tsunami and associated earthquakes were more powerful than the plant was designed to accommodate, …
Ultimate truth … you cannot and never will be predict all possible outcomes and you cannot plan nor build plants to be 100 percent secure.
Not mention something or deliberately hiding it to avoid discussions is same as downplaying.
Every time I call you out, you move the goalposts. You still have nothing. I have not hidden anything. I just created the community. Not mentioning something is NOT the same as downplaying it. Are you downplaying the Rwandan genocide because you didn’t mention it? Of course not. That’s an incredibly stupid take.
If you cannot understand context you should not talk about nuclear energy at all. I said it is the opposite to what that YT dude claims, which was the context but thanks to quoting it so we entirely lose context now.
Ok, I was just confused by your grammar. But it still doesn’t work. The video does not sweep nuclear disasters under the rug. Once again, you seem to have failed to actually watched the video in question.
There is no safe way of handling nuclear waste, never will be, his videos are clearly debunked by Fukushima, Chernobyl, the almost accident in Ukraine and in 61.
You just linked a wikipedia article about handling nuclear waste that proves nothing. And none of those disasters were about nuclear waste. And seriously? “Almost accidents” are on the same level now?
Glad that dude gets shit-talked in the comment section
These are the top five comments, all in support. Forget watching the video, it seems you haven’t even followed the link lmao
And your quotes of the japanese prime minister are once again, irrelevant, as they are not about nuclear waste.
He deletes comments or comments are not approved or YT removes some shit-posts … I am just saying this for the reference. You screenshot is worth nothing as it does not show deleted or hidden ones. It even mention that this is not accurate and how could it be accurate if you have no clue what the next 100k will happen, no one knows. Once again you only show the parts benefiting your beliefs and not the entire picture.
When did he mention that uranium is limited resource that only holds for next 130 years… Well, endgame for you my friend.
Video has no sources.
No one in his right mind support or agrees with a video without sources and nothing behind, showing some fancy bullshit and not even mentioning disasters is credible how, right it is not. Microsoft, or Bill Gates also supports nuclear energy, this thorium molten salt reactor is his idea or should I say his researchers who tried to improve old tech, yet you find supporter on YouTube and people who dislike it, yet it changes nothing on the reality that this solves no waste problem at all. I also can screenshots parts that benefit my argument but in truth they all getting shit talked because we all know it is madness to store something for 1 million years under our table…
Video is not done by a professional and based on pure observation about irrelevant things, it does not mention 100k years storage problem at all. Showing a train that is surrounded by a cage that contains barrels is relevant how, the barrels are stored underground and not in a reinforced train. Claiming this is security is nonsense. He also not mentioned that we had export problems, which I linked already.
My point is that you waste your time here responding instead of outlining problems, which is the first and last thing you should do instead your entire bases is on a video that is irrelevant, when did he mentioned 100k storage problem, existing problems and upcoming unpredictable problems, right he does not mention it at all because you cannot mention it because no one can foresee the future which is the point, they were also thinking oh Fukushima is secure and look what happened. It is called hybris, when you think you know everything and can control everything but in reality you never can which is the bottom line that you and every single nuclear supporter will never understand, it is beyond your comprehension that humans simply cannot control nature or foresee everything. If there is an earthquake with wind energy, so what, the windmill gets destroy, you rebuild … and of story. If nuclear power plant has a problem it creates a world wide problem, see the difference here. I hope you do otherwise discussion is over.
The video does not sweep nuclear disasters under the rug. Once again, you seem to have failed to actually watched the video in question.
It does, it does not outline the 10 times mentioned issues, which are the real problems and not driving with a train against a wall. The possibility here that storage can be dangerous, and that it requires lots of maintenance and billions over the next decades are not even mention, in fact he mention oh the barrels are secure, how do you know that if there is no scientific proof … how you know how long a barrel hold that gets warm over time, then there are other variables. Who stored a barrel 1000+ years already and inspected it, I know no one. You cannot even simulate and predict 10k years in such a barrel because based on what data … there are no data …
You just linked a wikipedia article about handling nuclear waste that proves nothing. And none of those disasters were about nuclear waste. And seriously? “Almost accidents” are on the same level now?
The Fukushima problem is about waste, the cooling water which they use is waste, as a byproduct because you still need to cool it down even after the disaster, what they do with the contaminated water, they directly dump it back into the ocean. It is directly linked to already discusses problematic. The waste explosion is directly mentioned and linked.
29 September 1957: Kyshtym disaster: Nuclear waste storage tank explosion at the same Mayak plant, Russia. No immediate fatalities, though up to 200+ additional cancer deaths might have ensued from the radioactive contamination of the surrounding area; 270,000 people were exposed to dangerous radiation levels.
These are the top five comments, all in support. Forget watching the video, it seems you haven’t even followed the link lmao
Again this dude is pro nuclear supporter playing it directly down, check the title and check what nonsense he tells you in the video. Now please provide evidence that no comment getting deleted. So this is troll attempt from your end, comment something negative, then see how fast it gets deleted. That supporters supporting each other should be clear. No one in his right mind takes that dude and his nonsense video showing a train trashing against a wall serious, because this is not the problem, something you just ignore here once again downplaying everything. es he is. Claiming, oh its all secure, relax, no problem to store trash under our kids feed because nothing ever will happen, you know this is nonsense. We had incidents and the next are about to come and nuclear energy or waste or any byproducts are something that are hard to get rid of once unleashed.
And your quotes of the japanese prime minister are once again, irrelevant, as they are not about nuclear waste.
The statement proves that it will get downplayed, which happened and you apparently fail to understand the big picture. The cooling process, what they used to cool the reactor, or parts of it is a byproduct and waste since you cannot recycle it. Which falls under the category waste. The govt just put it back into the ocean, claiming it is not so dangerous and no one knows that because how would someone link cancer with fish, water etc and backtrack this to this disaster and the reproductions.
Here are the counter videos against nuclear energy outlining this is no end solution with sources and links and reference material in the comment section, Lesch is a known expert and does include research links and material.
What a surprise that anti nuclear top comments supporting him, isn’t it… Well it is not but he actually explains things in details based on actual scientific research. He outlines the danger and that nuclear energy is no solution for anything at all.
Here are some waste things you overlooked, I quote it just for you.
July 1979: Church Rock Uranium Mill Spill in New Mexico, USA, when United Nuclear Corporation’s uranium mill tailings disposal pond breached its dam. Over 1,000 tons of radioactive mill waste and millions of gallons of mine effluent flowed into the Puerco River, and contaminants traveled downstream.
1 February 2014: Designed to last ten thousand years, the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) site approximately 26 miles (42 km) east of Carlsbad, New Mexico, United States, had its first leak of airborne radioactive materials
Nothing mentioned in your … oh everything is nice and clean fancy video … because negative events are never mentioned in the big context, which clearly shows that this dude cannot taken serious.
Nothing there mention the negative history, not any danger or past incident. Just for reference. Downplaying … this is what it is, pretending is is secure, it is not.
I just cannot take you serious since your entire basis of defense is based on a video from a clown showing a train trashing into a wall claiming … oh look here its secure, forgetting to mentioned that the train is reinforced and that barrels are not stored in such a train, they are stored in the open in the underground and constantly need maintenance and money. Yes the raw barrel is stored there, in no fancy cage. You need to store them on a cold place because guess what it gets warm because of the radiation over time.
The hate nuclear power gets is so incredibly irrational. We’re in a middle of a climate catastrophe, and nuclear is the one practical option for replacing fossil fuels at scale that’s actually available to us.
The hate is caused because people downplay it like nothing every happened. Next disaster and more cancer is upcoming because misguided people claim it is secure. Sun energy, thermal earth energy is also at any time existent same like water which can be used at any time. Wind is a bonus but also an option, combining them is the best bet we have right now until fusion energy is fully working. Exploiting uranium until it is depleted is no solution at all.
Nuclear energy coasts much more on money, resources and misguided people actually believe it has a future, it has absolute none, the resources are soon running out and then you wasted trillion of dollars what every normal thinking would invest in alternatives. But this is something such people cannot comprehend.
Ah, now you have moved on to the topic of the actual video. This community is inappropriate for such discussions, so I will cover them over in !nuclear_power@lemmy.ml in the following days. We will discuss past accidents, current technology, and whether it is an acceptable risk in our current climate crises. You will have to link english sources if you want me to respond personally though. And if I recall correctly, discussion happens in the posts, not the sidebar.
I can address your other points here:
He deletes comments or comments are not approved or YT removes some shit-posts … I am just saying this for the reference. You screenshot is worth nothing as it does not show deleted or hidden ones.
Now please provide evidence that no comment getting deleted.
Ah no, you cannot shift the burden of proof onto me. I showed you the comments, but you insist he is getting “shit-talked” in the comments and deleting them all.
I blocked the community since I cannot take this video nor you serious, not after the comments here. Current technology and alternative reactors also suffer same problems, waste and this is when your road ends.
I can link english, russian or chinese sources, point is they have a Ph.D. and are experts and long in science with a huge background, more background then a video from a clown who stitches 1984 videos together, claiming oh look this is security right there. No actual scientist which is not paid by Microsoft or paid to promote nuclear energy will confirm or support such bullshit security claim because guess what no one can predict the future.
Ah no, you cannot shift the burden of proof onto me. I showed you the comments, but you insist he is getting “shit-talked” in the comments and deleting them all.
I did not said I insist, I said he deletes it. Just login, shit-talk him, see it gets deleted, besides it is irrelevant since top comments do not reflect all comments and supports sure will upvote their beloved product that the defend.
Also lol
they are stored in the open in the underground
Yes barrels are pretty much open stored in the underground and not in a reinforced train trashing against a test wall.
One earthquake and the waste directly leaks into earth, only protection is special floor and some metal enforced wall but how long does it hold against severe radioactivity. How long until first accident will happen on such a huge scale, will you downplay this too… I bet…
You lose, I win. That simple, because you have zero convincing arguments. None.
I blocked the community since I cannot take this video nor you serious, not after the comments here.
It is not my problem if you refuse to engage.
But I am glad to see you have achieved your self-proclaimed victory after posting some yellow barrels. Please do show me your prize when you receive it.
You are making a lot of assumptions, such as that we treat disasters as a joke and sweep them under the ruq, that we downplay issues etc. with no reason. I have not yet even made a sidebar for the community.
If you are unwilling to give us the opportunity, just say so, there is no need for wild accusations.
When do you mention any disasters and outline this. Right, there are no posts or threads mentioned. So it is quite the opposite, because you also responded in the video youtube link thread that ENTIRELY plays down all downsides of nuclear and make it look like you can drink out of the barrels. This is the first thing that should be linked and mentioned and no one except me and some other fine people here express their concerns.
Nuclear deserves zero opportunity and zero tolerance. At least not from me and I deeply shocked that people play everything down here and want to advertise nuclear energy as solution.
Yes, precisely, we never downplayed disasters.
?? You just agreed with me.
This is a ludicrous claim. Did you even watch the video? All it does is explain we have safe ways of handling nuclear waste.
Not mention something or deliberately hiding it to avoid discussions is same as downplaying.
If you cannot understand context you should not talk about nuclear energy at all. I said it is the opposite to what that YT dude claims, which was the context but thanks to quoting it so we entirely lose context now.
There is no safe way of handling nuclear waste, never will be, his videos are clearly debunked by Fukushima, Chernobyl, the almost accident in Ukraine and in 61.
Hybris and arrogance is what this is.
Glad that dude gets shit-talked in the comment section. Clowns like him should not be allowed to upload videos on YT, especially not on sensitive topics without providing any source at all for his nonsense.
Now show me a video storing waste for 1 million years under the earth … then you can claim it is secure… there are none … which is bottom line and your lesson here.
Ultimate truth … you cannot and never will be predict all possible outcomes and you cannot plan nor build plants to be 100 percent secure.
Every time I call you out, you move the goalposts. You still have nothing. I have not hidden anything. I just created the community. Not mentioning something is NOT the same as downplaying it. Are you downplaying the Rwandan genocide because you didn’t mention it? Of course not. That’s an incredibly stupid take.
Ok, I was just confused by your grammar. But it still doesn’t work. The video does not sweep nuclear disasters under the rug. Once again, you seem to have failed to actually watched the video in question.
You just linked a wikipedia article about handling nuclear waste that proves nothing. And none of those disasters were about nuclear waste. And seriously? “Almost accidents” are on the same level now?
These are the top five comments, all in support. Forget watching the video, it seems you haven’t even followed the link lmao
And your quotes of the japanese prime minister are once again, irrelevant, as they are not about nuclear waste.
It does, it does not outline the 10 times mentioned issues, which are the real problems and not driving with a train against a wall. The possibility here that storage can be dangerous, and that it requires lots of maintenance and billions over the next decades are not even mention, in fact he mention oh the barrels are secure, how do you know that if there is no scientific proof … how you know how long a barrel hold that gets warm over time, then there are other variables. Who stored a barrel 1000+ years already and inspected it, I know no one. You cannot even simulate and predict 10k years in such a barrel because based on what data … there are no data …
The Fukushima problem is about waste, the cooling water which they use is waste, as a byproduct because you still need to cool it down even after the disaster, what they do with the contaminated water, they directly dump it back into the ocean. It is directly linked to already discusses problematic. The waste explosion is directly mentioned and linked.
Again this dude is pro nuclear supporter playing it directly down, check the title and check what nonsense he tells you in the video. Now please provide evidence that no comment getting deleted. So this is troll attempt from your end, comment something negative, then see how fast it gets deleted. That supporters supporting each other should be clear. No one in his right mind takes that dude and his nonsense video showing a train trashing against a wall serious, because this is not the problem, something you just ignore here once again downplaying everything. es he is. Claiming, oh its all secure, relax, no problem to store trash under our kids feed because nothing ever will happen, you know this is nonsense. We had incidents and the next are about to come and nuclear energy or waste or any byproducts are something that are hard to get rid of once unleashed.
The statement proves that it will get downplayed, which happened and you apparently fail to understand the big picture. The cooling process, what they used to cool the reactor, or parts of it is a byproduct and waste since you cannot recycle it. Which falls under the category waste. The govt just put it back into the ocean, claiming it is not so dangerous and no one knows that because how would someone link cancer with fish, water etc and backtrack this to this disaster and the reproductions.
Here are the counter videos against nuclear energy outlining this is no end solution with sources and links and reference material in the comment section, Lesch is a known expert and does include research links and material.
What a surprise that anti nuclear top comments supporting him, isn’t it… Well it is not but he actually explains things in details based on actual scientific research. He outlines the danger and that nuclear energy is no solution for anything at all.
Here are some waste things you overlooked, I quote it just for you.
Nothing mentioned in your … oh everything is nice and clean fancy video … because negative events are never mentioned in the big context, which clearly shows that this dude cannot taken serious.
Nothing there mention the negative history, not any danger or past incident. Just for reference. Downplaying … this is what it is, pretending is is secure, it is not.
I just cannot take you serious since your entire basis of defense is based on a video from a clown showing a train trashing into a wall claiming … oh look here its secure, forgetting to mentioned that the train is reinforced and that barrels are not stored in such a train, they are stored in the open in the underground and constantly need maintenance and money. Yes the raw barrel is stored there, in no fancy cage. You need to store them on a cold place because guess what it gets warm because of the radiation over time.
The hate is caused because people downplay it like nothing every happened. Next disaster and more cancer is upcoming because misguided people claim it is secure. Sun energy, thermal earth energy is also at any time existent same like water which can be used at any time. Wind is a bonus but also an option, combining them is the best bet we have right now until fusion energy is fully working. Exploiting uranium until it is depleted is no solution at all.
Nuclear energy coasts much more on money, resources and misguided people actually believe it has a future, it has absolute none, the resources are soon running out and then you wasted trillion of dollars what every normal thinking would invest in alternatives. But this is something such people cannot comprehend.
Ah, now you have moved on to the topic of the actual video. This community is inappropriate for such discussions, so I will cover them over in !nuclear_power@lemmy.ml in the following days. We will discuss past accidents, current technology, and whether it is an acceptable risk in our current climate crises. You will have to link english sources if you want me to respond personally though. And if I recall correctly, discussion happens in the posts, not the sidebar.
I can address your other points here:
Ah no, you cannot shift the burden of proof onto me. I showed you the comments, but you insist he is getting “shit-talked” in the comments and deleting them all.
Also lol
I blocked the community since I cannot take this video nor you serious, not after the comments here. Current technology and alternative reactors also suffer same problems, waste and this is when your road ends.
I can link english, russian or chinese sources, point is they have a Ph.D. and are experts and long in science with a huge background, more background then a video from a clown who stitches 1984 videos together, claiming oh look this is security right there. No actual scientist which is not paid by Microsoft or paid to promote nuclear energy will confirm or support such bullshit security claim because guess what no one can predict the future.
I did not said I insist, I said he deletes it. Just login, shit-talk him, see it gets deleted, besides it is irrelevant since top comments do not reflect all comments and supports sure will upvote their beloved product that the defend.
Yes barrels are pretty much open stored in the underground and not in a reinforced train trashing against a test wall.
One earthquake and the waste directly leaks into earth, only protection is special floor and some metal enforced wall but how long does it hold against severe radioactivity. How long until first accident will happen on such a huge scale, will you downplay this too… I bet…
You lose, I win. That simple, because you have zero convincing arguments. None.
It is not my problem if you refuse to engage.
But I am glad to see you have achieved your self-proclaimed victory after posting some yellow barrels. Please do show me your prize when you receive it.